Discussion devoted mainly to the Anglo-Dutch Wars (at sea), including ships, battles, and persons. Our website, kentishknock.com, is the primary outlet for artwork, research results, and more formal analysis and commentary. Copyright (c) 2003-2007 James C. Bender
Tuesday, August 24, 2004
The Kleine Harder of 1658
Sunday, August 22, 2004
- Constant Reformation (52 guns)
- Swallow (36 guns)
- Convertine (42 guns)
- Washford frigate (14 guns)
- Ark (20 guns)
- Scots frigate (24 guns)
- James (29 guns) 300 tons
- George
- Culpepper (18 guns)
- Roebuck (12 guns) 90 tons
- Blackmoor Lady (18 guns) 180 tons
- Ambrose
- Charles
- Lion (52 guns), flagship of Robert Blake
- Garland (44 guns)
- Elizabeth (36 guns)
- Nonsuch (36 guns)
- Guinea frigate (32 guns)
Saturday, August 21, 2004
I have written a new document about Jacobean and Carolian Middlingships
Thursday, August 19, 2004
Frescheville Holles and other items
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
English captains: Andrew Ball
Monday, August 16, 2004
Abraham van der Hulst
Dutch captain: Eland du Bois
Saturday, August 14, 2004
I was struck by how many burst 8pdrs there were after Scheveningen
Tuesday, August 10, 2004
The capture of the St. Patrick (5 Feb 1667)
Monday, August 09, 2004
Admiralty of Friesland ships at the Gabbard
Sunday, August 08, 2004
Pieter Gorcum and the three-masted yacht Dordrecht
I am still pretty happy with my identification of the three-masted yacht Dordrecht as Pieter Gorcum's ship. My primary sources on this subject are The First Dutch War and Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen. A table on page 762 of Vol. I confirms that the ship was in service in March 1653 (because the Dordrecht was the only 17-gun yacht used by Zeeland). From The First Dutch War, in the narrative from Witte de With's journal, leading up to the Battle of the Kentish Knock, we know that Pieter Gorcum commanded a Zeeland yacht. The other Zeeland yacht we know about was the Gloeyenden Oven (14 guns) commanded in 1652 by Adriaan Janszoon den Oven. On page 765, another table is derived form the "Staet van Oorlogh te water voor den jahre 1654", and gives the information for the Dordrecht. What I had not previously noticed is that the crew was 50 sailors. The length we already knew was 85 feet (Amsterdam feet of 283mm), measured from stem-to-sternpost.
Saturday, August 07, 2004
A Dutch warship from 1629: the Thetis
I have only scratched the surface of analyzing the Dutch warship lists from 1628 to 1633. I will continue to publish tidbits, as I can, to give you a flavor for what we have. I picked out one ship for today, the Thetis, a ship of the Admiralty of Amsterdam. The Thetis was commanded by Captain van Abt. She carried 30 guns and had a crew of 100 sailors. We don't know dimensions, but we know she was of 250 lasts. To give you an approximate idea of how large a ship of 250 lasts was, I have two example sets of possible dimensions:
1) 130ft x 34ft x 13.5ft
2) 134ft x 32.25ft x 13.5ft
Amazingly enough, we know the list of guns for the Thetis:
2-24pdr, 2-Chambered 18pdr, 2-18pdr, 12-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 2-5pdr, 6-steenstukken plus 12 chambers for them
Chambered guns were typically lighter and made of brass. They had a chamber for gunpowder that was of smaller diameter than the gun bore. As for steenstukken, I had long assumed that they were similar to fowlers, but Jan Glete says that they were swivels, and despite their name, they probably fired iron shot, not stones, as least by this date.
Friday, August 06, 2004
Dutch ships in the Smyrna Convoy battle in 1672
I can at least list the Dutch warships in the Battle for the Smyrna Convoy in March 1672. The armed merchantships seem to be beyond our reach, at this point in time. The crew and gun lists are estimated based what is known about the ship's history. I thought that this could be helpful to gamers, in particular, as not many people have access to the Dutch ship information at this level of detail.
| Ship name | Guns | Built | Captain | Admiralty | Crew | Length | Beam | Depth | Gun list |
| Vlissingen | 50 | 1653 | Adriaan de Haaze | Zeeland | 200 | 130ft | 34ft | 13.5ft | 2-24pdr, 4-18pdr, 26-12pdr, 12-6pdr, 4-3pdr, 2-unknown |
| Klein Hollandia | 54 | 1654 | Jan Jacobszoon van Nes | Rotterdam | 215 | 133ft-10in | 32ft-5in | 13ft-3in | 22-18pdr, 20-12pdr, 12-4pdr |
| Utrecht | 48 | 1653 | Cornelis Evertsen de Jongste | Zeeland | 175 | 134ft | 33ft | 13.5ft | 2-24pdr, 4-18pdr, 16-12pdr, 10-8 and 9pdr, 7-6 and 5pdr, 6-6pdr, 3-4pdr, and 2-unknown |
| Dordrecht | 50 | 1653 | Eland du Bois | Zeeland | 200 | 130ft | 34ft | 13.5ft | 2-24pdr, 4-18pdr, 16-12pdr, 12-8pdr, 16-6pdr |
| Delft | 36 | 1664 | possibly Salomon Le Sage | Zeeland | 120 | 116ft | 28.5ft | 11.5ft | 16-12pdr, 12-6pdr, 6-4pdr, and 2-unknown |
Thursday, August 05, 2004
14 June 1652: captain of the Brederode
Analyzing the Dutch in the First Anglo-Dutch War
Wednesday, August 04, 2004
Witte de With sailed from the Texel with 27 warships and 4 fireships
Tuesday, August 03, 2004
There is some new content coming for KentishKnock.com
New information
Monday, August 02, 2004
The Friesland ship Groningen
More about the Convertine
Saturday, July 31, 2004
The English ship Convertine (44 guns)
The Battle of Scheveningen
Tuesday, July 27, 2004
The Sint Johannes, an Amsterdam Directors ship
Jan Pieterszoon Renaren's ship, the Sint Jeronimus
Monday, July 26, 2004
Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet
Sunday, July 25, 2004
New information
Wednesday, July 21, 2004
Tromp's voyage to the Shetlands
Tuesday, July 20, 2004
I received a copy of Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet, today
Monday, July 19, 2004
Witte de With's squadron sent to Brazil in 1647
- Brederode (49 guns) Witte Cornelisz. de With
- Gelderland (40 guns) Joost van Coulster
- Dolphijn (32 guns) Job Forant
- Huys van Nassau (40 guns) Govert Vorens. Later, Matthijs Gillissen (heavily damaged on 28 Sept. 1648. Later captured by the Portuguese and refitted)
- Haarlem (36 guns) Matthijs Gillissen. Lt. Dirck Crijnen Verveen
- Utrecht (32 guns) Jacob Paulusz. Cort (destroyed by explosion on 28 Sept. 1648)
- Zutphen (30 guns) Corenlis Toelast. Later, Claes de With
- Overijssel (28 guns) Dirck Crijnen Verveen. Lt. Steven Cuyper.
- Eendracht (41 guns) Paulus Coolen. Lt. Gijsbert Malcontent.
- Wapen van Nassau (38 guns) Lieven de Zeeuw. Lt. Jacob Cleydijck.
- Witte Eenhoorn (30 guns) Jan Gijzen. Pieter Adriaansz.
- Koning David (? guns) Willem Claesz. Ham
Sunday, July 18, 2004
Which ship did Jan de Liefde command during the 1st Anglo-Dutch War?
Saturday, July 17, 2004
Why did the Dutch reduce ship armaments in July 1654?
Friday, July 16, 2004
I'm finally working on analyzing the "Staet van Oorlogh te water voor den Jahre 1654"
I will be getting a copy of Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet
Thursday, July 15, 2004
Gerrit Femssen
Gerrit Femssen served the Admiralty of the Noorderkwartier. We know he served in the First Anglo-Dutch War and was at the Battle of the Sound, in 1658.
We know three ships he commanded. In 1652, he commanded the Wapen van Enkhuijsen The first listing credited her with 30 guns and a crew of 110 men. There is another listing which credited her with 34 guns while still having a crew of 110.
In 1656, Gerrit Femssen commanded the Gouden Leeuw in the blockade of Danzig, under the command of Jacob van Wassenaer. The Gouden Leeuw carried 48 guns and had a crew of 155 men. Her dimensions were: 134ft x 34ft x 13.5ft.
In the Battle of the Sound, Gerrit Femssen commanded the old ship, the Eendracht, built in 1639. She carried 38 guns and had a crew of 125 men. Her dimensions were: 130ft x 32ft x 12ft.
We know a few facts about his service in the First Anglo-Dutch War. On July 26, 1652, attended a council of war on Tromp's flagship, following the storm off the Shetlands [1DW1, p.393]. At the Battle of the Kentish Knock, Gerrit Femszoon commanded the North Quarter ship, Wapen van Enkhuisen, which carried 30 guns and a crew of 110 men [Ball, p.366]. There was a document that listed the Noorderkwartier ships that were part of the "36 Ships of 1651": Gerrit Semssen [Femssen] was captain of the ship, 't Wapen van Enkhuisen, which carried 34 guns and a crew of 110 men. The ship is a national ship ('s Lands schep). There is a notation on the list that the ship "was cruising between Texel and Ushant, and afterwards served under Lt-Admiral Tromp's flag, and being engaged in the last action with the English, came in damaged to Enkhuisen; is now lying ready to return to Texel". The ship appeared on a list of ships belonging to the thirty-six ships of 1651. [1DW4, p.315].
On November 2, 1653, Admiral Wassenaer reported that Gerrit Femszoon's [Femssen] ship, from Enkhuisen, was lying off the Texel, with other ships [1DW6, p.159]. This was after the strong storm that swamped or wrecked may Dutch warships, on their way home while convoying a merchant fleet that had put into Norway.
Gillis Thijssen Campen
Gillis Thyssen Campen served the Admiralty of Amsterdam. Frank Fox says that Gillis Thyssen (Tijssen, Thijssen) Campen was Cornelis Tromp's Vice-Admiral at the Battle of Lowestoft, in 1665. He says that at the Battle of Lowestoft, four ships had run together and were tangled. They were Gillis Thyssen Campen's flagship, the Koevorden (56 guns), the Prins Maurits (53 guns), the Elf Steden (54 guns), and the Stad Utrecht (48 guns). They would not surrender to the English, so a fireship was sent in. One ship blew up, and freed the Elf Steden, which was towed off by another Dutch ship. Gillis Thyssen Campen was killed in the explosion.
At the start of the First Anglo-Dutch War, Gillis Thyssen Campen commanded the 24-guns hired ship, the Gouden Leeuw. In October 1652, she was paid off, along with other older and smaller hired ships. By early 1653, he was given the 42-gun ship, the Groningen, which he commanded for the rest of the war.
Markus Hartman, captain of the Gekroonde Liefde (36 guns)
There seems to be very little information about Markus Hartman. I can find no trace of him prior to 1652, in the sources that are available to me. His ship was lost in the great storm that struck on November 1, 1653. I suspect that he drowned.
We first read of him in a letter from Michiel De Ruyter to the Admiralty of Zeeland. On September 3, 1652, De Ruyter met Captain Hartman at sea, with some other ships, about 3 in the morning.
In April 1653, De Ruyter was on board Markus Hartman's ship, the Gekroonde Liefde, 36 guns (Middelburg Directors). In mid-May 1653, Captain Hartman was De Ruyter's Rear Admiral. De Ruyter commanded the fourth squadron of five in the Dutch fleet, prior to the Battle of the Gabbard.
In early August 1653, prior to the Battle of Scheveningen, Markus Hartman was still with De Ruyter. Captain Hartman's "squadron" (really, division) consisted of his ship, the Gekroonde Liefde of 36 guns, the ships of Jacob Wolphertsen (unknown name or guns), Jacob Swart (Vliegende Faam, 28 guns), and Captain de Bitter (the Mercurius of unknown guns).
Wednesday, July 14, 2004
There is a copy of Frank Fox's first book for sale
I noticed that there is a copy of Frank Fox's first book, Great Ships: the Battlefleet of King Charles II, for sale at Albion Books. What is significant about this book is the priced. I own multiple copies, and never paid more then $80 (US). This copy is for sale at $254.53 (converted to dollars from pound sterling, presumably).
I would expect that unless someone is really wanting this book and willing to pay a premium, this copy could be for sale for some time. I use Addall.com/used for finding used and out-of-print books. I have consistently found that more useful than Amazon, although for finding Frank Fox's second book, A Distant Storm: the four days battle of 1666, the only option seems to be Amazon.co.uk.
Monday, July 12, 2004
Notes about small bits of information from December 1652
One thing that was of interest to me was about the hired ship Anthony Bonaventure, which was captured by the Dutch at the Battle of Dungeness. The captain had been Wlater Hoxton, who was killed in the battle. His ship carried 36 guns and had a crew of 110 men. I had never seen the crew listed before. That is on page 56 of Vol.IV of Schetsen uit de Geschiedenis van ons Zeewezen.
The Garland, also captured, carried 44 guns and had a crew of 200 men. Her captain had been Charles Batten.
The hired ship Hercules (34 guns) was run ashore, so that the crew could escape. The pursuing ship was the Vlissingen Directors ship Haes. Her captain was to become famous at the Battle of Lowesoft: Bastiaan Centsen (Centen, or Senten).
The Dutch lost the Rotterdam ship Gelderland, which caught fire in the night, and blew up, killing the captain and part of the crew.
Saturday, July 10, 2004
Cornelis Corneliszoon de Groot and the Samson
I had listed the Amsterdam Directors ship Samson as being commanded by Cornelis Corneliszoon, but it seems that it is actually Cornelis Corneliszoon de Groot. I have seen this phenomenon all too frequently, where the last name was dropped. Other examples were Evert Anthonissen (Marre) and Ewout Jeroenszoon (de Moy).
The dimensions for the Samson, as you may recall, were 119ft x 28.25ft x 13ft with an armament of 28 guns: 10-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 8-6pdr, and 2-3pdr.
I have done some analysis, and my estimate of the displacement is 533.3 tons and the burden, calculated English style, was 357.3 tons. The weight of broadside was 119 lbs. and the armament weight I estimate to be 25.17 tons.
The plan for manning the 50 Directors ships in 1652
The intent for manning the 50 Directors ships was for them to have 85 officers and sailors, along with 25 soldiers, as well. There was a directive in mid-March 1652, that spelled this out. My reference is Dr. Elias' book, Schetsen uit de Geschiedenis van ons Zeewezen, Vol.II, page 42.
Friday, July 09, 2004
I wonder if Hendrick Adriaanszoon's ship, the Samson is the one for which I have data
I posted, on December 6, 2003, a note about my translation of some text about Evert Anthonissen's five ships. Two ships, the Samson and the Purmerlandt, were providing local defense in the Vlie roads. One of those ships, said to be unready, was Hendrick Adriaanszoon's ship, the Samson. Some of Evert Anthonissen's ships were hired by the Amsterdam Directors: Frederick de Coninck's ship, the Vergulde Fortuijn and Hendrick de Raedt's ship, the Swarte Leeuw If the Samson is the one for which I have data, it would likely have been hired by the Amsterdam Directors.
The Samson was mentioned in a document dated 27 January 1653. The dimensions were: 119ft x 28ft x 13ft, with a height between decks of either 6-1/4 or 6-1/2ft. The armament was 28 guns: 10-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 8-6pdr, and 2-3pdr. I had believed that this was the ship that the English spy misread the name as Ganapan, as when I first saw the handwritten name, that is what it looked like. The capital "S" was shaped like a "G" (a loop above another loop). The second, lowercase "s" had the upper curve closed on itself, so it resembled a "p".
Thursday, July 08, 2004
Dirck Quirijn Verveen (as Mollema spells his name)
J.C. Mollema wrote about Dirck Verveen in the "Honor Roll". This is my translation of what is there.
We don't know when he was born, but he died on 2 December 1658. He served the Admiralty of Amsterdam, became a lieutenant in 1636 and captain in 1639. In 1636, he served under Forant before Dunkirk as a lieutenant. In 1639, he was a fireship captain at the Battle of the Downs. In 1646, he served in the blockade service before Dunkirk. In 1647, he commanded the Haarlem (40 guns) under De With in the relief force sent to Brazil, and fought at Bahia. In 1651 to 1653, he commanded the Haarlem under Joris van Catz en Johan van Galen. He fought at the Battles of Monte Cristo (Elba) and Livorno. In 1654, he was a temporary Schout-bij-Nacht under De Ruyter in the Mediterranean Sea. In 1656, he commanded the Gouda (46 guns) under Van Wassenaer in the Sound and before Danzig. In 1657, he served under De Ruyter in the Mediterranean Sea and off the Portuguese coast. In 1658, he commanded the Zon (Son) under Van Wassenaer in the Battle of the Sound, where he was wounded. He died of his wound following the battle.
Tuesday, July 06, 2004
I'm hoping that the list of English fireships and Frank Fox's article will help a lot with the hired merchant ships
I'm not sure if there are just a lot of common names, or if the fireship list in Pepys' papers (printed by the Navy Records Society) really will help with dimensions for hired ships, some of which served in the First Anglo-Dutch War. Certainly, Frank Fox's article from 1998 also helps.
Frank Fox's theory is that everything we could ever want to know is there, waiting to be found. The problem is the large volume of unsorted and uncataloged papers, at least in the UK.
The problem in the Netherlands is finding everything that was known to exist in the 1916 to 1930 period, and noted by Dr. Elias. The archives changed their numbering system at least once, and Dr. Elias' footnotes are not always comprehensible. Still, there is enough there to really make me anxious to go dig for what is there.
Sunday, July 04, 2004
More documents that I would like to see
For sure, there is a list of warships belonging to the Admiralty of Amsterdam that is dated 1 May 1654. That is the source for the data about Gillis Tijssen Campen's flagship, the Groningen. The Groningen had a crew of 140 men and carried 42 guns, from 1653 to 1654. It also seems that Witte de With's journal would be really useful. I would guess that it would be good for 1652 to 1654, without question. I don't know if all of it still exists, but at least some did in the early 20th Century. It is likely that it still exists, although we would need to as "where?".
Thursday, July 01, 2004
The definitive word on English hired merchantmen in the Second Anglo-Dutch War
Thanks to Frank Fox, we have some substantial information about English hired ships. He published two articles in the Mariner's Mirror Vol.84, numbers 1 and 2. His series is called "Hired Men-of-War, 1664-7". I am fortunate enough to have a reprint of Part II that Frank presented to me, 3-1/2 years ago. An added bonus is that Part II gives the dimensions for several ships that had served in the First Anglo-Dutch War. For example, the Exchange (built 1650) was 74ft-9in (LK) x 28ft-11in, with a burden of 332 tons. There were 18 maindeck gun ports. Another ship, the King Ferdinando (built 1650) had the dimensions 81ft-0in (LK) x 30ft-6in, with a burden of 401 tons. The ship data, with dimensions, is all on page 153. Frank also has some armament information listed, as well. Much of this is from records about gun painting, as I had understood Frank to say.
Monday, June 28, 2004
Dutch ships captured by the English at the Battle of the Gabbard
I would have thought that hired merchant ships would not have seen service after capture, but that was not the case for the ships captured at the Battle of the Gabbard in 1653. What I think is interesting is to look at the ships that survived to the Restoration and past, as they obviously were valued.
Two of the captured ships are listed as 5th Rates in Frank Fox's book, Great Ships: the battlefleet of King Charles II. They were the Half Moon (Halve Maan) and the Rosebush (Rozeboom). Two others were 4th Rates: Mathias (Sint Matheeus) and Elias (same name in both Dutch and English service). The Mathias was a really good ship that came to a bad end in 1667, when she was scuttled during the Dutch raid on the Medway. It says something that she had served for 15 years in the English service, after being captured. Her Dutch dimensions were 144ft x 36ft (unknown depth in hold)(Amsterdam feet of 283mm). The dimensions for the Elias were 132.5ft x 30ft x 13ft. She carried 34 guns: 4-24pdr, 14-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 4-6pdr, and 2-3pdr. The only other ship that we have the Dutch data for is the Rozeboom. The dimensions were 118ft x 27ft x 12.5ft. Her guns were 12-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 6-6pdr, and 2-3pdr.
I keep hoping that documents will surface that will fill in the (big) gaps in our knowledge of Dutch ships during the First Anglo-Dutch War. There is some reason for hope, as Dr. Elias had seen and noted a good number of documents, in the period 1916 to 1930, that I have not yet been able to find (or rather, Rick van Velden had not been able to find). The titles and dates listed in Schetsen uit de Geschiedenis van ons Zeewezen really look promising.
Tuesday, June 22, 2004
The Noorderkwartier ship, the Jonge Prins in July 1654
This is another in the continuing series of posts about Dutch ships from the 1654 list (the "Staet van Oorlogh te Water voor den Jaere 1654").
| Admiralty: | Noorderkwartier |
| Ship: | Jonge Prins |
| Date built: | 1634 |
| Captain: | Cornelis Barentszoon Slordt |
| Guns: | 28 |
| Length: | 120 feet |
| Beam: | 28 feet |
| Hold: | 11-1/2 feet |
| Brass Guns: | 2-24pdr, 2-12pdr |
| Iron Guns: | 8-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 2-5pdr, 4-4pdr, and 2-2pdr |
Block coefficients and displacement
Displacement is the basis for comparison between fleets in Jan Glete's book, Navies and Nations. It turns out that Jan Glete is using the navigational draft for computing block coefficient and displacement. I can understand that it might be "fair game" to define a method and that would be a useful way of camparison. One issue is that you would not be able to compare his displacements and block coefficients with other sources, where they are computed using different standards.
Both Ab Hoving and Frank Fox arrive at much greater block coefficients than Jan Glete. The reason is largely that the more standard block uses the mean draft, rather than the navigational draft (the maximum draft). Jan Glete's block is larger for the same displacement, so the block coefficient is smaller.
Block coefficient = (displacement x 35 cubic feet/ton) / (water line x beam x draft)
Wednesday, June 16, 2004
Dutch captains: Adriaan Janszoon den Oven and Abel Roelants ("Vader Abel")
During 1652, Adriaan Janszoon den Oven commanded the Zeeland yacht, Gloeyenden Oven (14 guns). He was also called Adriaan Janszoon den Gloeyenden Oven. Possibly, the yacht named after him, as maybe it was hired from him, with him as captain in 1652.
By the end of 1652, another captain had taken command of the yacht. Captain den Oven commanded the Zeeland ship Neptunus (28 guns) at the Battle of the Gabbard, where the ship was lost to the English. That is why he was absent from Scheveningen. The yacht, the Gloeyenden Oven was serving as a fireship at the Gabbard, and was captured by the English and taken to the Thames.
Captain den Oven had been made a captain in 1636. He fought under Evertsen against the Dunkirk admiral Collaert in 1636. In 1637-1639, he distinguished himself against the Dunkirkers and at the Battle of the Downs. In 1643, he was in the blockade service in front of Dunkirk. In 1645-1646, he fought against the Dunkirkers.
As for Abel Roelants, he definitely served the Admiralty of Rotterdam. It seems that he took command of Witte de With's old flagship, the Prinses Louise (36 guns) in early May 1653. There is a note that in late 1652, the Prinses Louise carried as many as 46 guns. I really would like to find the documents that are mentioned in the note, as they would seem to be of great interest: List of ships of the Admiralty of Rotterdam near the letters of this admiralty, and "Hare Hoog Mogenden, of 27 September and 18 November 1652).
Apparently, Abel Roelants was a division commander (Rear-Admiral) in Egbert Meeuwsen Kortenaer's squadron in October 1653 (one of 16 ships). The other division commander was Gideon de Wildt, who as Vice-Admiral in Kortenaer's squadron. Kortenaer flew his flag on the Brederode. I imagine that Gideon de Wildt was still using the Amsterdam ship Vrede (44 guns) as his flagship and Abel Roelants was probably still using the Prinses Louise. I don't have any information about Abel Roelants, after 1653.
Sunday, June 13, 2004
The Royal Navy: A History from the earliest times to the present, Vol.II, page 431 and note
Even the most prominent authors sometimes "gets it wrong". Mostly, it is due to lack of knowledge of the material in question. That seems to be the case with William Laird Clowes and his monumental 7 volume work, The Royal Navy: a history from the earliest times to the present. In volume II, page 431, and note 2 on that page, he makes several errors. On December 25, 1666, an English squadron commanded by Robert Robertson, captain of the Warspite, fought an action with five Dutch ships. He says that the English captured three ships, the Cleen Harderwijk (38 guns), the Leijden (36 guns), and the Els (36 guns). In his footnote, he notes that the contemporary accounts called the ships Clean Harder, Leyden, and Eeles. The only one of the ships that he got right was the Leiden. Both Leijden and Leyden were acceptable, contemporary spellings for the ship that had fought in the First Anglo-Dutch War. The footnote is closer to the right names. The first ship was actually the Klein Harder. The last ship was the Elias. The Elias seems to have been the only one which was taken into the English service. Frank Fox lists her in an appendix to his book, Great Ships: The Battlefleet of King Charles II. He gives the English dimensions as 78ft x 27ft x 8ft, with an English burden of 302 tons. Her armament was 34 guns. My estimate for her Dutch dimensios are: 102ft x 30.5ft x 9ft. I am somewhat skeptical of these dimensions. The length seems short for the beam and the depth also seems too small. We have to use the few cases where we definitely have both the English and Dutch dimensions as a guide, and what I have given are based on the average factors.
Saturday, June 12, 2004
There will be a new research result posted at Kentishknock.com
At some point, relatively soon, there should be a new "Research Result" posted to KentishKnock.com. It is a comprehensive listing of information about Directors ships from 1652 to 1653. It is mostly in outline form, but parts have more discussion, based on what is known from sources. If you want a copy of the Word document version, I can send that upon request (e-mail). I can't guarantee that I would be able to reply before Tuesday night, as I will be traveling on a long weekend.
Thursday, June 10, 2004
Jan Glete's assumptions about calculating Dutch and English sailing warship displacements
Jan Glete is an acknowledged expert on sailing warships. I have found his two-volume work, Navies and Nations to be very helpful in my research. His bibliography and notes are comprehensive. A key aspect in his work is comparison of navies by displacement. To do that, he developed a system for estimating displacements.
Jan Glete assumed, for various reasons, that English ships had finer lines than Dutch ships. My impression is that Ab Hoving agrees with that. When he designed the lines for the new Zeven Proviniën, he gave her very full lines. Jan Glete made the following assumptions:
In retrospect, Jan Glete wonders if the difference might not be so great. He also now thinks that Dutch drafts might be greater than he had previously thought.
This is more information transcribed from the "Staet van Oorlogh te Water voor den Jaere 1654", from July 1654. The two ships that I list here were both active participants in the First Anglo-Dutch War. I expect that the armaments listed here are either that carried during the war, or at least representative of what they carried. The Campen had been Joris van der Zaan's ship in the opening act of the First Anglo-Dutch War, when Jacob Huyrluyt and Joris van der Zaan had been convoying 7 Straatsvaarders returning from the Mediterranean. They were stopped by Anthony Young, off the Start. They exchanged a few shots, and then continued on to meet Tromp and his fleet, near Dover, leaving their charges behind, at the Start. Willem van der Zaan took command, after the Battle of Portland, where his brother had been killed.
| Admiralty: | Amsterdam |
| Ship: | Leeuwarden |
| Date built: | 1645 |
| Captain: | Jan Egbertszoon Ooms |
| Guns: | 34 |
| Length: | 120 feet |
| Beam: | 29-3/4 feet |
| Hold: | 11-3/4 feet (estimated) |
| Brass Guns: | 4-18pdr, 6-6pdr, and 2-4pdr |
| Iron Guns: | 14-12pdr and 8-6pdr |
| Admiralty: | Amsterdam |
| Ship: | Campen |
| Date built: | 1652 |
| Captain: | Willem van der Zaan |
| Guns: | 42 |
| Length: | 128-1/2 feet |
| Beam: | 32 feet |
| Hold: | 13 feet |
| Brass Guns: | 4-18pdr, 6-12pdr, and 4-6pdr |
| Iron Guns: | 16-12pdr and 10-8pdr |
Wednesday, June 09, 2004
The Battle of Plymouth
I did another simulation run of the Battle of Plymouth scenario. It only confirms my view that the English did very poorly, when they should have given the Dutch a sharp defeat. I tend to blame Sir George Ayscue's leadership, and have wondered if he was relieved from his command due to his performance. Frank Fox says that it was not the case, and that it was more for political reasons. Sir George Ayscue served after the Restoration, so he must have been viewed as Royalist sympathizer by the new administration.
Tuesday, June 08, 2004
Dutch guns
From my perspective, there are many unanswered questions about Dutch guns in the 17th Century. My basic concerns are to learn dimensions and weights for the different types. The types are:
Sunday, June 06, 2004
There is new information at AngloDutchWarsBlog.com
I just posted two new items at AngloDutchWarsBlog.com. One has three Dutch guns from the 17th Century and the other is a table of gun data from the same source.
Portrait of Sir George Ayscue (another experiment)
I tried to do a lot more digital painting on this portrait of Sir George Ayscue, and it probably isn't as successful as the De Ruyter portrait. I thought it fitting that De Ruyter's opponent at the Battle of Plymouth would be the next portrait that I attempted. This is done after Peter Lely's portrait of Ayscue.
Portrait of Michiel De Ruyter (an experiment)
As an experiment, I tried doing as portrait of Michiel De Ruyter, after a well-known painting. My picture is a combination of pencil and graphic painting. I wanted to see what I might be able to quickly do. If I can come up with a reasonable approach, I want to do portraits, in a common style, of commanders during the Anglo-Dutch Wars.
Saturday, June 05, 2004
The "Gulden Dolphijn" or "Dolphijn"
The dimensions that I just listed for the Gulden Dolphijn are those from the "Staet van Oorlogh te Water voor den Jaere 1654", but they considerably differ from those listed in the 26 February 1652 Admiralty of Rotterdam list. In that list, they are: 110ft x 25.5ft x 12.5ft (not 116ft x 25ft x 12ft). That converts to more reasonable dimensions in Amsterdam feet: 120ft x 27.75ft x 13.5ft (generously rounded). The 26 February 1652 list, in its entirety is available at: KentishKnock.com Research Results. I have found that it is not so unusual to have conflicting information about dimensions (sadly).
This is more information transcribed from the "Staet van Oorlogh te Water voor den Jaere 1654", from July 1654. I have not seen this information in published form. Vreugdenhil only published the dimensions, not the armament details or names of captains. Since all Rotterdam ships are said have dimensions in Maas feet (308mm), I have done the conversion to Amsterdam feet (283mm), as well.
| Admiralty: | Amsterdam |
| Ship: | Groningen |
| Date built: | 1641 |
| Captain: | Gillis Tijssen Campen |
| Guns: | 34 |
| Length: | 128 feet |
| Beam: | 31-1/2 feet |
| Hold: | 12 feet |
| Brass Guns: | 4-10pdr, 2-12pdr, 4-8pdr, and 4-4pdr |
| Iron Guns: | 16-12pdr, and 4-8pdr |
| Admiralty: | Rotterdam |
| Ship: | Gulden Dolphijn |
| Date built: | 1634 |
| Captain: | Paulus van den Kerckhoff |
| Guns: | 32 |
| Length: | 116 ft (Maas), 126-1/2 ft (Amsterdam) |
| Beam: | 25 ft (Maas), 27-1/4 ft (Amsterdam) |
| Hold: | 12 ft (Maas), 13 ft (Amsterdam) /td> |
| Brass Guns: | 4-chambered 24pdr, 2-chambered 5pdr |
| Iron Guns: | 16-12pdr, 8-6pdr, and 2-4pdr |
Thursday, June 03, 2004
Rationale for tonnage calculations
There are several reasons for being concerned with estimating dimensions and doing tonnage calculations for sailing warships. One is for analytical reasons. Tonnage seems to be a reasonable metric for comparing fleets. Alternatively, you might estimate displacement. Tonnages (burden or burthen) is easier, as displacement requires estimating drafts and block coefficients. Tonnages only require estimating beam and keel length. Usually, we know either the keel length, length on the gun deck, or length from stem to sternpost. We are then reduced to comparing with the few known examples to estimate the values for a new ship. Even harder is to do estimates for Dutch ships, which were measured on a totally different basis (length from stem to sternpost and beam inside the planking).
Saturday, May 29, 2004
English tonnage calculations
Sorry for all the math, but it is unavoidable in this sort of analysis. Before the Restoration, the burden calculation used until the end of the age of sail was formulated. That formula was:
LK = length on the keel
LGD = length on the gundeck
B = Beam
D = Depth in hold
Burden in tons = LK x B x B/2 x 1/94
This is often simplified as:
Burden in tons = LK x B x B / 188
The "Beam/2" is a normalized depth, instead of using a true depth in hold, as had previously been the custom. The next step after that, was to use a calculated length of keel, based on the length on the gundeck and the beam:
LK = LGD - 2/5 x B
Now there were both a normalized length on the keel and a normalized depth. Only the length on the gundeck and the beam determined the burden. I believe that eventually, the real length of keel was used, after 1688.
To look at the history of calculations, we have some useful data. There is a list of ships from 1590-1591 that has dimensions and burden in tons. Let us use the famous Ark Royal as our example:
| LK | 100 ft |
| Beam | 36 ft |
| Depth | 15 ft |
| Burden | 540 tons |
So let us look at the burden calculation:
540 tons = 100 ft x 36 ft x 15 ft x 1/100
This calculation holds true for all the ships in the list.
Now, let us look at the Prince Royal, as built in 1610:
| LK | 115 ft |
| Beam | 43.5 ft |
| Depth | 18 ft |
| Burden | 1200 tons |
So let us look at the burden calculation:
1200 tons = 115 ft x 43.5 ft x 18 ft x 4/3 x 1/100 (rounded from 1200.6 tons)
The only variation for this formula formula was that the burden might be rounded to one or two digits, rather than giving an exact number (such as 700 tons or 650 tons). For example, the Constant Reformation was nominally 750 tons, but the actual product was 752.6 tons.
Given our knowledge of formulas, we can now estimate the dimensions of ships for which we only have burdens. For many of the hired or purchased ship from 1642 to 1660, we only know burdens. Let us estimate the dimensions for the English ship, the Cygnet, purchased in 1643.
233 tons = LK x B x D x 4/3 x 1/100
Using some factors from examples, we can estimate each of the dimensions:
LK = LGD x 0.8
B = LGD x 0.25
D = B x 0.4
For the Cygnet, that gives the following:
Burden = LK x B x D x 4/3 x 0.01 = (LGD x 0.8) x (LGD x 0.25) x (B x 0.4) x (4/3) x 0.01 =
Burden = (LGD x 0.8) x (LGD x 0.25) x ((LGD x 0.25) x 0.4) x (4/3) x 0.01 =
Burden = LGD x LGD x LGD x (0.8 x 0.25 x 0.25 x 0.4 x 1.333 x 0.01) =
Burden = LGD x LGD x LGD x 0.000267
This simplifies to:
LGD = (Burden / 0.000267)1/3
So for the Cygnet, the LGD = (239 / 0.000267)1/3 = 96.37ft or 96ft-4in (about)
The LK = LGD / 1.25 = 96.37 / 1.25 = 77.096ft = 77ft-1in (about)
The Beam = LGD / 4 = 96.37 / 4 = 24.09ft = 24ft-1in (about)
The Depth = Beam x 0.4 = 24.09 x 0.4 = 9.636ft = 9ft-8in (about)
So let's test the result: Burden = 77.096 x 24.09 x 9.636 x 4/3 x 1/100 = 238.6, which is finally right!
Anyway, that is my system for estimating. If you change the proportions, the factors change, but the system stays the same, for this earlier period. For the later period, we are reduced to looking at example ships, as the formula doesn't tell us what the real depth was. (I kept making the error of using the LGD in the last calculation, and couldn't figure out why it came out wrong. I just figured out what I had done)
The Battle of Portland (28 February-2 March 1653)
I now suspect that after being wounded on the first day, and having his flagship heavily attacked, that Robert Blake was reluctant to press the fight to the Dutch. At the end of the first day, after having gone on the attack and having been repulsed, the Dutch went into defensive mode.
The Dutch formed a crescent around their convoy, and facing the English. As it was, English frigates picked off merchant ships. On the last day, two warships were also taken. The Dutch had been reduced to about 30 warships that still had ammunition. If the English had pressed an attack, they could have destroyed the remnants of the main Dutch fleet, and taken the convoy. Instead, at nightfall, the English let the Dutch escape. There was a threat of a storm and they were near the French coast. The English pilots were reluctant to enter the shallows, while the Dutch, with their shallow draft ships used the shallows to escape.
Wednesday, May 26, 2004
I had often wondered why the English accepted action at the start of the Four Days Battle
An 18th Century British admiral would never have accepted battle when he had such an inferior force as the English had at the Four Days Battle. Frank Fox's book, A Distant Storm: the Four Days Battle of 1666 provides the answer, as best as it is possible to know. George Monck, by then, the Duke of Albemarle, had decided before ever encountering the Dutch to give battle. He could easily have justified withdrawing, as he knew that reinforcements would soon be ready. The fleet was also reduced due to Prince Rupert being sent to intercept a suspected French raid on Ireland. Instead of withdrawing, Albemarle fought.
The clinching point was as the English came up on the Dutch fleet, they found that the Dutch were anchored. The English had caught the Dutch completely by surprise. Such opportunities seldom are presented. The English swept down on the anchored Dutch fleet. Cornelis Tromp was the first to recognize what had happened. The ships of his squadron cut their anchor cables and set sail, as quickly as possible. The last time I spoke with Frank Fox, he mentioned the Blue flag from the Fighting Instructions. Albemarle used it, in this instance, to mean "fall into line in my wake". After that, Albermarle suddenly ordered the "Bloody Flag" raised on the fore. At that signal, the English ships swept in for an attack. Then the battle started.
Tuesday, May 25, 2004
Good sources about Dutch ships
On page 355, Vol.I, of Jan Glete's book, Navies and Nations, in Note 10, he talks about a list of about 40 ships hired by the Directors in 1652 to 1653. As far as I can tell, there is no single list. Instead, there are many separate documents, from various dates, starting from early 1652 up until mid-1653 or so. The reference is: "Erste Afdeeling, Directies, Equipering Oorlogsschepen, Algemeen Rijksarchief, The Hague. Mr. Ron van Maanen had originally pointed out this archive to Jan Glete.
There are many other references to documents and letters in the archives in Dr. Johan E. Elias' 6-volume book, Schetsen uit de geschiedenis van ons zeewezen. Dr. Elias had thought that J.C. De Jonge had missed a great deal of material, when he compiled Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen, originally in the 1840's. Schetsen is filled with references to documents that Dr. Elias saw in the early 20th Century (at least from 1916 to 1930). Rick van Velden was able to find a few of them, but I would think that a large number remain unseen for the last 70 or 80 years. We really need to find them and make that information available. I am convinced that if we had the time and resources to do the research, we could fill in most gaps in our knowledge of Dutch ships during the First Anglo-Dutch War. I have already mentioned the Hendrick de Raedt pamphlet. That has the prospect of being very useful, if we could obtain a copy.
The best picture I have seen of the Sovereign of the Seas (1637)
Teemu koivumäki has the best picture I have seen of the Sovereign of the Seas (1637).
If you are not familiar with his site, Sailing Warships: List of Sailing Warships from 17th. to 19th. Century, you need to be. There is no other source available, in print or on the Web, that has as much information in one place. He has had many contributors, including myself.
I contributed to the Dutch ship section, especially that for the Directors' ships during the First Anglo-Dutch War. Professor Jan Glete pointed out that there was information in the Nationaal Archief, in the Hague, for about 40 Directors' ships. Rick van Velden was able to find much of what Prof. Glete had seen about 20 years ago, as well as a few documents that Prof. Glete had not seen.
More Dutch ships: Eenhoorn (1625) and Eendracht (1639)
This is more information transcribed from the "Staet van Oorlogh te Water voor den Jaere 1654", from July 1654. Two interesting ships were the Eenhoorn (the patriarch, being the oldest Dutch warship) and the Eendracht. Both belonged to the Admiralty of the Noorderkwartier. I believe that the Eenhoorn dimensions may differ from that published by Vreugendhil. The Eenhoorn was a vessel of 200 lasts. Both ships were armed with an odd assortment of guns. They were whatever was available, apparently. During this period, the Dutch struggled to obtain sufficient guns.
| Admiralty: | Noorderkwartier |
| Ship: | Eenhoorn |
| Date built: | 1625 |
| Captain: | Jan Janszoon Heck |
| Guns: | 30 |
| Length: | 125 feet |
| Beam: | 29 feet |
| Hold: | 13 feet (estimated) |
| Iron Guns: | 13-10pdr, 7-12pdr, 4-8pdr, 2-6pdr, 2-4pdr, and 2-3pdr |
| Admiralty: | Noorderkwartier |
| Ship: | Eendracht |
| Date built: | 1639 |
| Captain: | Jan Janszoon Heck |
| Guns: | 41 |
| Length: | 130 feet |
| Beam: | 32 feet |
| Hold: | 12 feet |
| Brass Guns: | 4-24pdr, 2-18pdr, 4-12pdr, 2-9pdr, 4-6pdr, and 2-4pdr |
| Iron Guns: | 8-18pdr, 8-12pdr, and 7-8pdr |
Sunday, May 23, 2004
The Kasteel van Medemblick in July 1654
This is a very minor bit of information, but it still information that is not generally available. In particular, I have not seen the gun list in print, although the dimensions have been previously published.
| Admiralty: | Noorder-Kwartier |
| Ship: | Casteel van Medemblick |
| Date built: | 1640 |
| Captain: | Captain Houttuijn |
| Guns: | 28 |
| Length: | 120 feet |
| Beam: | 27 feet |
| Hold: | 11 feet |
| Brass Guns: | 2-6pdr |
| Iron Guns: | 10-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 6-4pdr, 2-3pdr |
Saturday, May 22, 2004
Some notes about English ships from the 17th Century, from Frank Fox
Frank Fox is the reigning expert about English ships from the 17th Century. I will try to paraphrase some of what he has said about English ships:
With respect to armaments, the official establishments can't be relied upon. They weren't followed for various reasons, often the availability of the needed guns. Real surveys are the only thing that can be trusted. Some of those were published in Adrian Caruana's book, History of English Sea Ordnance, 1523-1875, in the first volume. The guns used included the light-weight "drakes" and "cuts", for demi-culverins, sakers, and minions.
With respect to manning, both the English and the Dutch wanted to man the guns on both sides in the first two wars. They allocated fewer men per gun than in later times. The establishments in the first and second wars are minimums. If they could find them, supernumeraries were allocated. At Lowestoft, that was about 20 men per ship.
The English allocated 40 shot per gun, plus some special types for the medium and small guns. At the Four Days Battle, they actually carried 50 shot per gun.
With respect to ballast, very few ships carried iron ballast, due to the expense. For example, the galley-frigates carried iron ballast, as well as other ships "built for speed". The other ships usually carried coal or shingle ballast (the Dutch were reduced to using sand, which is very problematic, when it gets wet). Some examples of ballast carried are: the Royal Katherine, 145 tons; the Prince of 1670, 206 tons; and the Lennox of 1678, 325 tons. Frank says that the latter was required due to the increase in height of gunports above the water. Unballasted, the ships had a high center of gravity, which had to be compensated by increased ballast.
Thursday, May 20, 2004
Some reflections on the Battle of Portland
Tromp attacked Blake, and a group of ships with him that were protecting his ship, the Triumph. This was in the opening moves of the battle. At first light on the first day, Tromp could see two groups of ships to his South. due South, he could see a group of a dozen or so ships, with William Penn's flag on one. Two miles to the East, was another group of similar size, with John Lawson in command.
In between were a half dozen ships. One was the Triumph, with Robert Blake and Richard Deane jointly in command. The rest of the English fleet was 5 or 6 miles to the leeward. The wind was from the Northwest. The Dutch charged directly downwind. Jan Evertsen went for Lawson, Tromp went for Blake, Pieter Florissen tried to go into the gap between Blake and Penn. De Ruijter charged directly at Penn. Lawson intended to tack to the West and sail South of Blake. He intended to then tack back towards Blake and attack from the Southwest. Penn tacked back towards Blake, having been on a Westerly course, at the start.
As I said, De Ruijter charged into Penn's group of ships. They boarded the Assistance, the Prosperous, the Oak, and the Sampson was sunk. The Assistance was John Bourne's flagship. He was Rear-Admiral of the Blue. The Sampson was a Dutch prize (the Sampson van Hoorn, captured while on fishery protection duties in July 1652, off the East coast. The Oak was also a Dutch prize (evidently an Akerboom, perhaps merchant).
Unfortunately for De Ruijter and the Dutch, John Lawson now arrived and recaptured the Assistance, Prosperous, and Oak. They also broke through the circle of Dutch ships around Blake, and broke the Dutch attack.
This first encounter happened right South of Portland Bill. Blake had started his voyage from Beachy Head, and tacked down the Channel, mostly against the wind. By the morning of the first day, the wind had shifted to the Northwest.
As darkness fell on the first day, the Dutch withdrew to the North, to cover their convoy from attacks by Monck's frigates. In the course of the first day's battle, Jan Evertsen's squadron had suffered dearly. He lost 8 ships. Four were sunk: the ship of Captain Cleydyck (Kleijdijck) (30 guns); the Kroon Imperiaal (34 guns), the ship of Cornelis Janszoon Poort; the Engel Gabriel (36 guns), the ship of Isaak Sweers; the Arche Troijane (28 guns), the ship of Abraham van Campen, and probably Sipke Fockes' ship, which was apparently called the Groote Sint Lucas (28 guns).
Schelte Wichelma's ship, the Frisia, blew up. Almost all of the ships that blew up in the Anglo-Dutch wars were probably caused by in sufficient care when handling gun powder. Another possible cause is that a ship can catch fire, and blow up. Apparently, it was possible to have a lot of powder dust in the air, that could be explosive, if there was a spark. It is almost impossible for a hit by a single shot to cause a ship to explode (like the battlecruisers at Jutland or the Hood in 1941).
Three more were captured: the Wapen van Holland (30 guns), commanded by Hendrick de Munnich; the East Indiaman, the Vogelstruis (40 guns), commanded by Cornelis Adriaanszoon Cruijck; and Cornelis Loncke's ship, the Faam (30 guns).
That was all by the end of the first day.
At the end of the third day, there were about 35 Dutch ships protecting the convoy, fighting to keep the marauding English frigates away. Two Dutch warships were lost on that last day: the Vergulde Haan (36 guns) and the Groote Liefde (38 guns).
Monday, May 17, 2004
The Rotterdam ship Schiedam
On February 26, 1652, the Schiedam was in service with the Rotterdam Admiralty. The Schiedam was commanded by Marinus Juynbol. At this time, she carried 26 guns. The dimensions were the same as the Gorcum: 116ft x 27ft x 11ft. On this date, she was engaged in convoying merchant ships to Rouen. I have not seen any further references to the Schiedam after this date. The only published reference I have seen to the Schiedam is in a note on page 81 of Volume VI of Schetsen uit de Geschiedenis van ons Zeewezen. This is another one of those mysteries which we probably will never solve, although we could be surprised.
More about the Battle of Portland (28 February to 2 March 1653, New Syle)
I have been reading the Onstelde-Zee (1654) pages about the Battle of Portland (with some difficulty). Now, I have open my copy of Schetsen uit de Geschiedenis van ons Zeewezen. I am looking at the Dutch ship losses and captains killed.
Rotterdam captains killed:
Amsterdam captains killed:
Noorderkwartier captain killed:
Zeeland captains killed:
East India Company captain killed:
In addition to this list, which is from Jan Evertsen's journal, we know that the Friesland ship, Frisia, commanded by Schelte Wichelma, blew up, and he was almost certainly killed.
Sunday, May 16, 2004
Captain Lambert Pieterszoon
In early 1652, Lambert Pieterszoon commanded the Amsterdam Director's ship, the Nassouw van den Burgh. I have seen his ship called the Hector, although not in the documents that I have from the Nationaal Archief, in the Hague. The first dated document that I have seen showed her in service on 12 March 1652.
The Nassouw was a substantial ship with dimensions 130ft x 32ft x 12ft with a height between the main deck and the upper deck of 7ft. Her armament was quite mixed, being 4-24pdr, 14-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 4-6pdr, and 2-3pdr.
We know that Lambert Pieterszoon joined Witte de With's fleet on 29 September 1652, as part of a group of seven ships. On 10 October, it was reported to Witte de With that Captain Pieterszoon had sailed to the Texel, without orders. Later, on 2 December 1652, he was in Maarten Tromp's squadron, prior to the Battle of Dungeness. Interestingly enough, there is a mention that Lambert Pieterszoon's ship was in company with Jan Evertsen, in a group of 8 ships that had been scattered by a storm. My question is what happened to Lambert Pieterszoon? Was he killed at Dungeness, or what happened to him? We find no further mention of him, after that last date.
I wonder if the March 1653 list in De Jonge's book is only for home waters
I am working on filling in more of the March 1653 list that is outlined in Vol.I of Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen. I have the Rotterdam Admiralty section filled in pretty completely, and have started on the Amsterdam Admiralty and Director's ships. My reaction is to wonder if there is a place in the list for the ships in the Mediterranean. The list was made right around the time of the Battle of Livorno (14 March 1653, New Style).
I am making good use of my list that I compiled to aid me in building scenarios for First Anglo-Dutch Wars battles. That list is ordered by captain's last name, and lists ships every time there is a new captain. That is because that most published lists for the Dutch only list captains and not ship names.
Saturday, May 15, 2004
I believe that I can make more progress filling out the March 1653 list
Apparently, I have learned enough in the last five months to be able to finally come close to filling out the March 1653 list from Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen. What I just posted for Rotterdam is just part of that list. The list shows the state of the Dutch navy just after the Battle of Portland and prior to the Battle of the Gabbard.
