The ship Edam, Captain Cramer Length from stem to sternpost: 124ft Beam: 28ft Hold: 11ft Height between decks: 6-1/2ft 28 guns: 6 brass guns of 12 lbs 4 brass guns of 6 lbs 14 iron gotelingen of 8 lbs 4 iron gotelingen of 6 lbs The crew consisted of 90 men
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Monday, July 31, 2006
One of the ships from the list I received from Jan Glete: the Edam commanded by Barent Cramer
Sunday, July 30, 2006
Climatology research in the Caribbean
More about 8 October , 9 October, and 10 October 1652
- James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships 1600-1700", 2006
- Dr. S.R. Gardiner, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.II, 1900
Saturday, July 29, 2006
Mr. Van Dongen on the situation at Antwerp in the 16th and 17th Centuries
- Antoine Francois van Dongen, "Making Waves": the life and times of Admiral Witte de With (1599-1658), 2005
Friday, July 28, 2006
New information on the way
- Amsterdam
- Rotterdam
- Hoorn
- Edam
- Enkhuizen
- Monnikendam
- Medemblick
- Middelburg
- Vlissingen
- Zierikzee
- Veere
The other hundred were to be hired by the five admiralties:
- Amsterdam
- Rotterdam (the Maze)
- Zeeland
- Noorderkwartier
- Friesland, at Harlingen
About fifty ships were quickly hired by the Directors. Dr. Elias said that only 38 ships were initially hired by the admiralties. As 1652 progressed, that number increased. It is not clear that there were ever 150 hired ships in service at the same time during the First Anglo-Dutch War. The fleet became dominated by hired ships, by the summer of 1652, when the wartime building program bore fruit.
A great deal of information exists about the Directors' ships hired by Amsterdam. I have documents from the Nationaal Archief in The Hague that give dimensions and list the guns carried. For the ships hired in April 1653, there is less complete information, as we do not know the captain or size of the crew for ships such as the Keurvorst van Keulen.
The published sources have had few details about the ships hired by the admiralties. The most we have are the captain's name, number of guns, and the crew size. This is often available for Amsterdam ships from The First Dutch War volumes and Schetsen uit de Geschiedenis van ons Zeewezen. The latter has much fewer of those details.
I have information that should be in the mail, or about to be put in the mail, from a number of sources (Jan Glete, Carl Stapel, and the Municipal Archives of Amsterdam, the GAA. There are more details about the various hired ships, often with dimensions and lists of guns. What I find useful, as well, is the date the ship was hired. Where the captain is mentioned, the information is even more useful. I also hope to get the papers of Witte de With from the Swedish national archives, and have made the request.
Thursday, July 27, 2006
The more I think about the aborted raid on Scarborough in April 1653, the stranger it seems
Wednesday, July 26, 2006
English Naval Officer: Sir John Munden
- William Laird Clowes, The Royal Navy: A History from the Earliest Times to the Present, Vol.II, 1898
- David Syrett, R. L. DiNardo, The Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy 1660-1815, 1994
Tuesday, July 25, 2006
I suspect that there are many more Dutch ships hired in 1652 and 1653 than are apparent in the literature
Monday, July 24, 2006
Number 8 in Vreugdenhil's list always has been a hole in the analysis
Sunday, July 23, 2006
One answer about how the Engel Gabriel hired on 19 June 1652 might have been employed is as Abraham van der Hulst's ship
I wondered if Vreugdenhil might have been mistaken about number 8 in his list
Saturday, July 22, 2006
The Death of Witte de With
Friday, July 21, 2006
Friesland hired their ships at Amsterdam
- C. T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol. VI, 1930
- Carl Stapel, personal communication "hired ships by admirality of Friesland", 2006
Thursday, July 20, 2006
How well would I be able to align a list of ships with those we know?
Wednesday, July 19, 2006
English Captain: Robert Sparks
- R. C. Anderson, List of English Naval Captains 1642-1660, 1964
- J. R. Powell, The Navy in the English Civil War, 1962
Tuesday, July 18, 2006
Directors' ships armaments
Ship Guns Crew Captain Gun List Alexander 28 100 Jan Meyckes 12-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 4-6pdr, 2-3pdr Blauwe Arend 28 105 Dirck Pater 4-18pdr, 8-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 6-6pdr, 2-3pdr Catarina 28 ? Jacob Jansz Coppe 10-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 8-6pdr, 2-3pdr David en Goliad 34 120 Claes Bastiaansz van Jaarveld 4-24pdr, 14-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 4-6pdr, 2-3pdr Groote Vergulde Fortuijn 35 135 Frederick de Coninck 4-24pdr, 16-12pdr, 11-6pdr, 4-3pdr Hollandsche Tuin 32 ? Joris Jansz Block 4-18pdr, 10-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 8-6pdr, 2-3pdr
Monday, July 17, 2006
Joost Bankert de Jonge in the First Anglo-Dutch War
Adm Ship Guns Crew Acq Type Note Commander Ship Captain Z Liefde 26 86 1652 h 8/1652 Joost Bankert de Jonge De Ruyter's fleet 8/1652 Joost Bankert de Jonge The Battle of Plymouth 12/1652 Joost Bankert de Jonge In Jan Evertsen's squadron 12.1652 Joost Bankert de Jonge The Battle of Dungeness 2/1653 Joost Bankert de Jonge killed The Three Days Battle 3/1653 Joost Bankert's luitenant To Vlissingen
Sunday, July 16, 2006
English Captain: William Thomas
- R. C. Anderson, List of English Naval Captains 1642-1660, 1964
- J. R. Powell, The Navy in the English Civil War, 1962
Saturday, July 15, 2006
English Captain: Richard Willoughby
- R. C. Anderson, List of English Naval Captains 1642-1660, 1964
- J. R. Powell, The Navy in the English Civil War, 1962
Friday, July 14, 2006
This must be the armament for the Jozua in 1654
Jozua (136ft x 34ft x 14ft) Built at Hoorn in 1654 Crew: about 200 sailors and 30 soldiers 50 guns Lower Tier: 4-24pdr 18-18pdr Upper Tier: 10-12pdr 10-8pdr Superstructure: 4-6pdr 4-4pdrSources:
- James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships 1600-1700", 2005
- H.A. van Foreest and R.E.J. Weber, De Vierdaagse Zeeslag 11-14 Juni 1666, 1984
- J. C. De Jonge, Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen, Vol.I, 1858
Ships in service in mid-March 1653 with the Admiralty of the Noorderkwartier
Admiralty of the Noorderkwartier States’ ships Rank Name Adm/Dir guns Sailors Soldiers Ship Sources kapitein Jacob Corneliszoon de Boer NQ 40 140 Eendracht 1DW4, 1DWMed, jonge1 Schout-bij-Nacht Pieter Florissen NQ 36 140 Monnikendam 1DW1, jonge1, Raedt1 commandeur Bourgoigne NQ 34 140 Enkhuizen kapitein Ham NQ 32 130 Prinses Roijaal kapitein Gabriel Antheunissen NQ 30 110 Kasteel van Medemblik kapitein Cornelis Pietersz Taenman NQ 28 120 Prins Maurits kapitein Cornelis Slordt NQ 28 120 Jonge Prins kapitein Jan Heck NQ 28 96 Eenhoorn kapitein Pieter Schellinger NQ 26 96 Stad Medemblik kapitein Arent Dirckszoon NQ 24 96 Monnikendam Hired ships Rank Name Adm/Dir guns Sailors Soldiers Ship Sources kapitein Reynst Cornelisz Sevenhuysen NQ 30 90 Profeet Samuel kapitein Willem Ham NQ 28 90 Tobias kapitein Isaak Codde NQ 24 82 Postpaert kapitein Tijs Tijmensz Peereboom NQ 24 80 Peereboom
Thursday, July 13, 2006
The Prinses Roijaal Marie and the Eenhoorn were very similar in size
200 lasts = 200 x K If we chose as K = 217, then 200 = L x B x H / 217 200 x 217 = L x B x H 43400 = 125 x 29 x H H = 12ftOf course, the hold depth is entirely contingent on the last factor we chose. Ab Hoving, in his article on Dutch ships in The Heyday of Sail book has a good discussion of lasts and their computation (or non-computation).
Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Frigateering and the Vrijheid
Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Adm Ship Guns Crew Date St Note Commander Ship Fate Captain Note A Gelderland 28 100 1652 h 8/1652 Cornelis van Velsen at the Wielingen rendezvous 8/1652 Cornelis van Velsen De Ruyter's fleet 8/1652 Cornelis van Velsen Battle of Plymouth 12/1652 Cornelis van Velsen convoy towards Nantes 3/1653 Cornelis van Velsen The Three Days Battle 3/1653 Cornelis van Velsen Sailed from Amsterdam 4/1653 Cornelis van Velsen Lying in the Texel roads 6/1653 Cornelis van Velsen blown up killed Battle of the Gabbard
Monday, July 10, 2006
Amsterdam War Losses up to mid-March 1653
In my researches for filling in the details of De Jonge's list for March 1653, I have my version of the war losses for the Admiralty of Amsterdam for up to mid-March 1653. As a point of interest, De Jonge seems to have omitted mention of several ships from the Fishery Protection Squadron lost on 22 July 1652 that seemed to be from Amsterdam. This is my list:
Losses to date: Rank Name Adm/Dir guns Sailors Soldiers Ship Sources kapitein Johan van Galen A 44 150? 20 Jaarsveld 1DW4, jonge1 kapitein Barent Pietersz Dorrevelt A 30 100? 20 Amsterdam schet2, jonge1 kapitein Isaac Sweers A 36 130 20 Engel Gabriel 1DW4, jonge1 kapitein Jeroen Adelaar A 30 100? 20 Middelburg 1DW4, jonge1 kapitein Claes Sael A 30 100? 20 Maria 1DW4, jonge1 kapitein Dirk Bogaart A 24 80 20 Juffrouw Catharina 1DW4, schet2, jonge1 kapitein Hendrik Kroeger A 24 80 20 Marcus Curtius 1DW4, jonge1This is the complete set of all sources, including those used here:
Key: Sources: 1DW1 = The First Dutch War, Vol.I 1DW2 = The First Dutch War, Vol.II 1DW3 = The First Dutch War, Vol.III 1DW4 = The First Dutch War, Vol.IV 1DW5 = The First Dutch War, Vol.V 1DW6 = The First Dutch War, Vol.VI ball = Dr. Ballhausen’s book rdhb = Rotterdamsche Historiebladen schet2 = Schetsen uit de Geschiedens van ons Zeewezen, Vol.II schet3 = Schetsen uit de Geschiedens van ons Zeewezen, Vol.III schet4 = Schetsen uit de Geschiedens van ons Zeewezen, Vol.IV schet5 = Schetsen uit de Geschiedens van ons Zeewezen, Vol.V schet6 = Schetsen uit de Geschiedens van ons Zeewezen, Vol.VI vloot = De Vlootbouw in Nederland vreug = A. Vreugdenhil, Ships of the United Netherlands 1648-1702 glete = Jan Glete’s notes on Directors’ ships dir = Director’s ship documents from the Nationaal Archief from 1652 and 1653 1-undated but from March 1652 or later with a table 2-12 March 1652 3-27 March 1652 4-30 March 1652 5-8 November 1652 6-10 January 1653 7-27 January 1653 8-28 January 1653 9-30 January 1653 10-8 February 1653 11-18 March 1653 12-undated but from early 1653 13-4 April 1653 ont = Onstelde-Zee raedt = Pamphlet of Hendrik de Raedt (about the voyage to the Shetlands) 26Feb52 = Admiralty of Rotterdam, 26 February 1652 zdir = Zeeland Directors ships pages from the Zeeuws Archief fleet1 = list of the fleet 15/24 July 1652 from the Nationaal Archief fleet2 = list of the fleet 19/20 September 1652 from the Nationaal Archief staet54 = Staet van Oorlog te Water for 1654 paintings = Michael Robinson, Van de Velde Paintings cs = communication from Carl Stapel salt = Francis Vere, Salt in their Blood: The Lives of the Famous Dutch Admirals, 1955. jonge1 = J. C. De Jonge, Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen, Vol.I
Sunday, July 09, 2006
I suspect that Herman Munnekes commanded Gerrit Femssen's former ship at the Battle of Dungeness
Saturday, July 08, 2006
The most likely ship for Abraham van der Hulst to have commanded in 1652
The organization of Jan Evertsen's squadron on Saturday, 7 December 1652
Vice-Admirael Admirael Schout-bij-Nacht Commandeur Cornelis Evertsen Vice-Admiraal Johan Evertsen capitein Jan Evertsz de Liefde Gillis Janszoon Jan le Sage Johannes van Regermorter Jacob Adriaensz Penssen Jan Pauwelszoon Cornelis Cuijper Bastiaen Centen Jan Oliverszoon schipper of Frans Mangelaer Jacob Wolfertszoon Joost Banckert schipper of Cornelis Rocusz Fincen Dingeman Cats
Friday, July 07, 2006
De Ruyter and Witte de With
- C.T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.V, 1912
- C. T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol. VI, 1930
- Staet van Oorlogh te Water for the year 1654, 1654
Thursday, July 06, 2006
I have thought that the Dutch tried to fight the English at the Battle of the Gabbard (or Nieuwpoort), with the English tactics
Wednesday, July 05, 2006
In May 1653, the East Indiaman Prins Willem was back to sailing for the VOC
- C.T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.V, 1912
- Artitec page about the Oranje
- Frank Fox, A Distant Storm: the Four Days' Battle of 1666, 1996
Tuesday, July 04, 2006
Jacob Huyrluyt and Nicolaes Marrevelt
On 22 May 1652 (new style), Anthony Young commanded a small squadron of ships patrolling off The Start: the President (36 guns), the Nightingale (24 guns), and the Recovery (24 guns). They saw an approaching group of ships being convoyed by several warships. They proved to be seven "Straatsvaarders", convoyed by two warships, the Zeelandia (34 guns) and the Campen (38 guns). The Zeelandia was commanded by Jacob Huyrluyt and the Campen was commanded by Joris van der Zaan. Jacob Huyrluyt's lieutenant was Nicolaes Marrevelt, who had a distinguished career in the First and Second Anglo-Dutch Wars. Anthony Young attempted to enforce the requirement for Dutch ships to salute English ships, when they were in home waters. Shots were exchanged, and ultimately, Anthony Young let the Dutch proceed, as he did not want to start a war, which everyone felt was imminent. In the event, the war was started a week later, near Dover, when Tromp sailed a fleet of 42 warships into the area, to escape a storm, and encountered two English squadrons commanded by Robert Blake.
The encounter off The Start is the last confirmed presence of Jacob Huyrluyt on the scene. As early as June, Nicolaes Marrevelt, as a luitenant-commandeur was listed as the commander of the Zeelandia, and was for the rest of the war. While a document reproduced in Vol.IV of The First Dutch War mentions Jacob Huyrluyt, he was apparently not present.
Sources:- Dr. S.R. Gardiner, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.I, 1898
- C. T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.IV, 1910
Monday, July 03, 2006
Apparently, Isaak Sweers commanded the Engel Gabriel of 1636
The Reuben, a merchantman that took part in the Battle of Dover on 29 May 1652
Triumph 8 men killed, 20 wounded Reuben 3 men killed Centurion 2 men killed Victory 2 men killed Fairfax 1 man killedThe letter appears in Vol.I of The First Dutch War, which is available online in the Google Book Search. Thomas White says that only 36 of the 42 Dutch ships were actually engaged in the battle, and that before the battle, Robert Blake had declined to take the 6 Dutch merchantmen (of the seven convoyed by Jacob Huyrluyt and Joris van der Zaan). His men wanted to take them, but Blake said of them "they were men about honest occasions, and he had no order from the Council of State to meddle with them".
Sunday, July 02, 2006
There are at least two "mystery ships" in Vreugdenhil's list
The 16 ships of the Admiralty of Amsterdam funded in 1648
Amsterdam (16 ships) Adm Ship Guns Crew Date Commander A Achilles 28 100 1644 Gillis Schey A Bommel 30 100 1645 Pieter van Brakel A Dolphijn 32 120 1633 Gerbrand Schatter A Edam 28 100 1644 Barent Cramer A Gouda 28 100 1636 Jan Egbertsz Ooms A Leiden 28 100 1647 Cornelis Cornelisz Jol A Star 28 100 1644 Jacob Paulusz Cort A Utrecht 30 100 1633 Jan Roetering A Westfriesland 28 100 1648 Hendrik Huyskens A Zutphen 26 100 1636 Ewout Jeroenszoon A Brak 18 70 1649 Pieter van Zalingen A Windhond 18 70 1649 Dirk Pietersz Heertjens A Overijssel 28 100 1650 Jan van Campen A Zeelandia 32 120 1643 Jacob Huyrluyt A Fazant 32 120 1646 Jan Jansz de Lapper A Engel Gabriel ? ? 1636Given that we do not know the armament or crew of this ship named Engel Gabriel, perhaps it could be the ship commanded by Abraham van der Hulst in 1652. We only know of this ship, as it is no.16 in Vreugdenhil's list. I have not seen the ship mentioned anywhere else, by name.