Saturday, September 30, 2006

Some interesting ships from 1652-1653

Ron van Maanen lists some ships for 1652-1653 that are interesting enough to bear mentioning:
Adm    Ship           Year Guns Crew   Length  Beam Hold      Ht btw Dks Gun lists
A      Amsterdam       1651 30 100-120 120ft   29ft    11ft   6-3/4ft    10-12#,8-8#,8-6#,4-3#
A      Amsterdam       1652 30 100-120 120ft?  29ft?   11ft?  6-3/4ft    18-12#,10-6#,2-4#
Vl-Dir Dubbele Arend   1652 26 98-118  112ft   26ft    12ft   6ft        2-12#,10-8#,10-6#,4-4#
F      Frisia          1652 28 100-110 120ft   28ft    11ft   7ft        2-12#,4-10#,8-8#,10-6#,4-5#
A      Julius Caesar   1653 28  100    125ft   29ft           7ft
A      Jupiter         1652 28  100    132ft   32ft    12.5ft 7ft
M      Kalmar Sleutel  1652 22   90    112ft   27ft    12ft   6.5ft
M      Koning David,FS 1652  6*  14     98ft   23.5ft  10.75ft7ft  (Maas feet?)
M      Rozenkrans      1653 42  200    137.5ft 35ft    17.5ft            20-18#,22-12#
A      Salomons Ordeel 1653 28  100    141ft   31ft        7ft
Ho-Dir Samson          1652 24  110    132ft   27ft    12.5ft 6.25ft
F      Sara            1652 24 85-90   116ft   25.75ft 11.5ft 7ft
Sources:
  1. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated, but circa 1992
  2. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Friday, September 29, 2006

The Amsterdam ship Groningen

Ron van Maanen has a good bit of information about the Amsterdam ship Groningen that fought in the First and Second Anglo-Dutch Wars:
The ship Groningen, built in 1641
Length from stem to sternpost: 128ft    (5 April 1653: 125ft)
Beam:                           31-1/2ft(5 April 1653:  31ft)
Hold:                           12ft
Height between decks:            7ft

Guns: (the guns varied over time,and these are Ron's numbers)
16 Nov 1653:   4-18pdr, 18-12pdr, 14-8pdr, 4-4pdr
5 April 1653:  4-18pdr, 18-12pdr, 14-8pdr, 4-4pdr
1654:          18-12pdr, 4-10pdr, 4-8pdr (this may be incomplete)
31 March 1665: 4-18pdr, 18-12pdr, 6-3pdr

Sources:
  1. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992

Anyone who reads the Anglo-Dutch Wars blog should be reading 17th Century Naval Wargaming, as well

I can imagine that there some readers of Anglo-Dutch Wars blog who have not looked at the 17th Century Naval Wargaming blog, due to the name. They should realize that I post the same sort of material there, as I do here. I have posted more explicitly wargame-related material there, as well, but there is ordinarily little difference between what I post on the two blogs. If you not reading 17th Century Naval Wargaming, as well, you are missing out on relevant information.

Thursday, September 28, 2006

Ron van Maanen says that the captured English ship Patrick was called Zwanenbug in Dutch service

Ron van Maanen says that the captured English ship Patrick, taken in 1667, served in the Third Anglo-Dutch War as the Zwanenburg, in the service of the Admiralty of Zeeland. The Zwanenburg measured 142 feet from stem to sternpost and carried somewhere between 42 and 60 guns. The crew was just 121 men. Ron says that there was a 1667 list that called the ship Swaenburgh (ex-Saint Patrick). Sources:
  1. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992

Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Ron van Maanen, for some reason. lists Pieter de Bitter's ship as being from the Middelburg Chamber of the VOC

I was surprised that Ron van Maanen lists Pieter de Bitter's ship Mercurius as belonging to the Middelburg Chamber of the VOC. Our other sources, such as Witte de With's journal for 1653, indicate that the Mercurius belonged to the Amsterdam Chamber of the VOC. In May 1653, the Mercurius carried 36 guns and had a crew of 110 men. The dimensions were 122-1/2ft x 30ft x 12ft. The height between decks was either 6-1/4 or 6-1/2ft. The Mercurius was sunk at the Battle of Scheveningen, on 10 August 1653. Captain Warnsinck, in the book De Retourvloot Van Pieter de Bitter (1664-1665), mistakenly described the Mercurius as carrying 40 guns and having a crew of 200 men. Sources:
  1. James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships 1600-1700", 2006
  2. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated, but circa 1992
  3. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Tuesday, September 26, 2006

The Postiljon van Smyrna

Ron van Maanen has the details of the Friesland ship Postiljon van Smyrna, which was assigned to Auke Stellingwerf's squadron at the Battle of Lowestoft. The ship was commanded by Barend Hiddes de Vries. These are the details:
The ship Postiljon van Smyrna, Capt. Barend Hiddes de Vries

Length from stem to sternpost: 118ft
Beam:                           29ft
Hold:                           12ft
Height between decks:            6ft

40 guns

Crew: 205 men

Sources:
  1. Frank Fox, A Distant Storm: the Four Days' Battle of 1666, 1996
  2. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated, but circa 1992

The Amsterdam Directors ship Engel in 1639

Ron van Maanen has the details for the ship Engel, hired by the Amsterdam Directors in 1639. Presumably, the Engel fought in the Battle of the Downs. These are the details:
The ship Engel

Length from stem to sternpost:  130-1/2ft
Beam:                            25-3/4ft
Hold:                            12-1/2ft
Height between decks:             6-1/2ft (but varied)

34 guns:
12-8pdr, 8-6pdr, 6-4pdr, 2-3pdr, 6-unknown

Crew:
unknown

Sources:
  1. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992

Monday, September 25, 2006

Ships at Vlissingen in July 1653

The beginning of the list of ships at Vlissingen in early July 1653 actually lists names of some Amsterdam ships that I would transcribe as follows:
Leeuwarden
Fazant
Dolphijn
Prins Willem
Omlandia
Leiden
To parallel this list, we have page 119 from Witte de With's journals (archive E8812). This list has the following ships and captains:
Ship           Guns Crew  Captain            Length    Beam     Hold    Ht Betw Decks
Leeuwarden     34   148   Govert Reael       120ft     29-3/4ft 11-3/4ft 6-3/4ft
Fazant         32   110   Jan Jansz Lapper   120ft     29ft     12ft     6-3/4ft
Dolphijn       30   110   Gerbrant Schatter  120ft     28ft     10-1/2ft 6-1/4ft
Prins Willem   30   106   Jan Jansz Boermans 
Omlandia       30   109   Maarten Schaeff    120ft     27-1/2ft 12ft     6-3/4ft
Leiden         30   107   Hendrick Kroeger   117-1/2ft 28-1/4ft 11ft     6-3/4ft
By the way, this is in the same order in Witte de With's journal as in the list from July 1653. Note that the published dimensions for the Dolphijn are 116ft x 25ft x 12ft with 32 guns. These dimensions are from a source that Ron van Maanen found, dated 5 April 1653, when the ship carried 32 guns: 8-12pdr, 16-8pdr, and 8-6pdr. Sources:
  1. C. T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.IV, 1910
  2. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated, but circa 1992
  3. Staten Generaal 1.01.04 Inv. Nr. 5556, "List of ships at Vlissingen on 2 July 1653", 1653
  4. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Sunday, September 24, 2006

The frigate Delft, captured by the English in 1665

Ron van Maanen has the details of the frigate Delft, captured by the English in 1665. This was a ship built by the Admiralty of the Maze:
The frigate Delft, Capt. Jacob van Boshuisen

Length from stem to sternpost:  111ft-3in
Beam:                            27ft-3in
Hold:                            11ft-2in
Height over hold:                 6ft-6in

36 guns:
8-12pdr, 22-8pdr, 2-6pdr, 4-2pdr

Crew:
150 men

Sources:
  1. Frank Fox, A Distant Storm: the Four Days' Battle of 1666, 1996
  2. H.A. van Foreest and R.E.J. Weber, De Vierdaagse Zeeslag 11-14 Juni 1666, 1984
  3. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated, but circa 1992

Saturday, September 23, 2006

Cornelis van Houten's ship Witte Lam

Cornelis van Houten commanded an Amsterdam Directors' ship named Witte Lam. That ship nominally carried 28 guns (12-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 6-6pdr, and 2-3pdr) but Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet and Witte de With's journal for September 1652 indicate that the Witte Lam carried 30 guns in August and September, and probably at the Battle of the Kentish Knock. The Witte Lam had dimensions: 127ft x 27-1/4ft x 12-1/2ft, with a height over hold of 6-1/2ft. I have not seen this ship mentioned after the Battle of the Kentish Knock, except in the list of 8 November 1652, where it is listed as having 28 guns and a crew of 96 men. Sources:
  1. James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Directors' Ship Information 1652-1653", 2004
  2. Hendrik de Raedt, Lyste van de schepen van Oorloge onder het beleyt Admirael Marten Harpersz. Tromp, 1652
  3. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Friday, September 22, 2006

Abraham van der Hulst's ship in 1652

One outstanding question is which ship Abraham van der Hulst commanded in the period of June to August 1652. Two contemporary sources, which I do not believe are independent sources, are the Hollandsche Mercurius for 1652 and Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet, show him commanding a ship of 26 guns with a crew of 100 men. We know from Witte de With's journal that covers September 1652, that Abraham van der Hulst commanded a 40-gun ship that had a crew of 130 men. From the list in The First Dutch War, Vol.IV, that I date from about mid-March 1653, that he commanded the Groningen, a 40-gun ship, prior to moving to the Vrijheid, following Augustijn Balck's death. The listing in Witte de With's journal then probably means that Abraham van der Hulst commanded the Groningen in September 1652, and at the Battle of the Kentish Knock. If it were not for the Hollandsche Mercurius and Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet, we would conclude that he probably commanded the Groningen through the earlier part of 1652, as well. I have not seen another source that would indicate that anyone else commanded the Groningen during that timeframe. I must say, though, that in other cases, the lists from the Hollandsche Mercurius and Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet seem pretty accurate. I do know of a deviation, although not so great, that Gerrit Nobel's ship, the Burgh van Alkmaar actually had 30 guns and a crew of 98 in September 1652, not the 24 guns and the crew of 95 men (not so great a deviation) listed in the published sources. I had thought that perhaps Abraham van der Hulst had commanded the elusive Achilles, built in 1644, up to August 1652, but the existence of the ship is unproved, except for Vreugdenhil and other lists that have obvious inaccuracies. So the question to be answered is if there are handwritten lists with captains, possibly ship names, and guns and crews for June to August 1652 that might clarify this issue. Sources:
  1. Pieter Casteleyn, Hollandsche Mercurius, 1652
  2. Johan E. Elias, De Vlootbouw in Nederland 1596-1655, 1933
  3. Hendrik de Raedt, Lyste van de schepen van Oorloge onder het beleyt Admirael Marten Harpersz. Tromp, 1652
  4. Staet van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654, 1654
  5. A. Vreugdenhil, Ships of the United Netherlands 1648-1702, 1938
  6. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Thursday, September 21, 2006

The Carolus Quintus

The ship Carolus Quintus fought in the Battle of Lowestoft in 1665. Joris Kuiten commanded the ship, which in June 1665 was listed as carrying 54 guns and having a crew of 200 men. Ron van Maanen has the details, including a gun list. He says that the Carolus Quintus was a ship belonging to the Amsterdam Chamber of the VOC:
The ship Carolus Quintus, Capt. Joris Kuiten

Length from stem to sternpost:  132ft
Beam:                            32ft
Hold:                            13-1/2ft

52 guns:
 8-18pdr
12-12pdr
20- 8pdr
12- 3pdr

Crew:  225 men
Sources:
  1. James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships 1600-1700", 2005
  2. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992

Wednesday, September 20, 2006

So what is in J. C. De Jonge's notes?

J. C. De Jonge was the author of the multi-volume book Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen. To my taste, the best parts of the book are in the appendices. Those for Vol.I are particularly interesting. Now we learn that De Jonge's notes and papers are in the Nationaal Archief. De Jonge had access to documents that were destroyed in the disastrous Minstery of Marine fire in about 1844. The question is if his notes contain the names of ships for which he has gun lists and also for the lists of ships, does he have the names? The one list that I am particularly interested in is that for March 1653. Having the names of the ships in that list would answer many remaining questions. Carl Stapel has the reference for De Jonge's papers:
"the notes of dr J.C. de Jonge filenr 1.01.47.30 almost 1 meter in length... !!" in the Nationaal Archief in The Hague.

Tuesday, September 19, 2006

Ron van Maanen largely does not mention captains in his list

I consider the fact that Ron van Maanen largely does not mention captains in his list to be a major shortcoming, even though the list is amazing a really useful. For example, when he lists a ship named Hollandia, from a list in April 1653, which Hollandia is that? He gives the dimensions: 120ft x 29ft x 13ft, with 32 guns and a crew of 130 men. The height over hold is 6-1/2ft. We have to guess, then, which ship this was. The Wrangell collection list gives Albert de Graeff's ship dimensions of 130ft x 29ft x 13ft, which seems to be suspiciously similar, except for the length. The other candidate is the Hollandia (32 guns) commanded by Evert Anthonisz Marre ("Evert Anthonissen"). Since the Hollandia immediately before this was sunk in action in 1653, that is more likely to be Evert Anthonissen's ship. Ron gives it dimensions of 120ft x 29ft x 11ft, with a height over hold of 6-3/4ft. He lists 32 guns and a crew of 140 men. Sources:
  1. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992
  2. list of Amsterdam hired ships from the Wrangell Collection, Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Monday, September 18, 2006

I had wondered about the Rotterdam ship Vrede

I had known about the existence of a Rotterdam ship named Vrede that had served in the Second Anglo-Dutch War. I had speculated that the Vrede was a 130ft ship, as at the Battle of Lowestoft, the Vrede allegedly carried 40 guns. Ron van Maanen has dimensions and says that the Vrede was completed in 1653, so presumably could have appeared in the latter stages of the First Anglo-Dutch War. This is what I know:
The ship Vrede

Length from stem to sternpost:  111ft
Beam:                            27ft-3in
Hold:                            12ft
Height over hold:                 6ft-6in

Operations:

June 1665, Battle of Lowestoft, commanded by Laurens van Heemskerck
August 1665, with De Ruyter's fleet, commanded by Eland du Bois
August 1666, St. James's Day Battle, commanded by Juriaan Juriaansz Poel
May 1667, took part in operations near England, commanded by Jan van Brakel
   Broke the chain at Chatham

Sources:

  1. James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships 1600-1700", 2006
  2. Frank Fox, A Distant Storm: the Four Days' Battle of 1666, 1996
  3. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992

Sunday, September 17, 2006

Zeeland Directors' ship with Witte de With in September 1652

At one point in September 1652, there were four Zeeland Directors' ships with Witte de With's fleet:
Adm    Ship             Guns   Crew   Captain
Vl-Dir Dubbele Arend    28     111    Aldert (Allert) Jansz
Mi-Dir Leeuwinne        30*    120*   Capt. (Johannes van) Regermorter
Vl-Dir Haes             26     120    Bastiaan Sempsem (as given)
Mi-Dir Gouden Leeuw     30     110    Capt. (Jacob) Penssen

* not given in the journal for September 1652

Sources:
  1. James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships 1600-1700", 2006
  2. James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships and Captains 1652-1654", 2006
  3. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Saturday, September 16, 2006

Some more news from Witte de With's journal

There are a number of ship's whose guns and crew have not been widely known, or at leat these figures. In Witte de With's journal for September 1652, there are a number of examples:
Adm     Ship               Guns  Crew  Captain
Z       Hollandia          38    138   Felip Joosten
Z       a ship             24     90   Pieter Gorcum
N       Burgh van Alkmaar  30     98   Gerrit Nobel
F       Frisia             29    108   Schelte Wigglema
F       Gelderland         28     77   Laurens Degelcamp
A       Groningen          40    130   Abraham van der Hulst
R-Dir   Prins              34    130   Corstiaen Corstiaenszoon

Friday, September 15, 2006

The 17 ships that sailed to Zeeland after the Three Days' Battle

At the conclusion of the Three Days Battle (AKA The Battle of Portland), the 17 surviving Zeeland ships sailed together for home. I have left the Admiralty/Directors as given in Witte de With's journal:
Adm    Ship               Guns  Crew   Captain
Z      Hollandia          38    127    Vice-Admiral Jan Evertsen
                                      flag captain Adriaan Bankert
Z      Wapen van Zeeland  28    127    Commandeur Cornelis Evertsen de Oude
Z      Vlissingen         28     95    Cornelis Evertsen de Jonge
Z      West Cappelle      26    110    Claes Jansz Sanger
Z      Liefde             26*    86*   the ship of the late
                                         Joost Bankert de Jonge
Vl-Dir Haes               30    120    Bastiaan Semptsem
                                       (presumably the same as
                                          Centen, Senten or Sentsen)
Vl-Dir Dubbele Arend      30    100    Schipper Teunis Poort
Z-Dir  a ship             18     90    Lambert Bartelszoon
Mi-Dir Leeuwinne          30    120    Luitenant of Capt. Regermorter
Mi-Dir Gouden Leeuw       30    120    Jacob Adriaansz Pennse
Z-Dir  Gecroonde Liefde   23     93    Dingeman Cats
Z      Vlissingen*        34    134    Jan Pouwelszoon
Z      Zeeridder          28    114    Gilles Janszoon
Ve-Dir Wapen van der Vere 37    116    Jan Olivierszoon
Z      a ship             23    100    Jacob Wolferszoon
Z      Liefde*            30    120    schipper Johannes van Regermorter
                                         the ship of Cornelis Mangelaer
            
Sources:
  1. C. T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.IV, 1910
  2. James C. Bender, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Ships 1600-1700", 2005
  3. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Thursday, September 14, 2006

Jan Gideonsz Verburgh's ship Graaf Willem

From Ron van Maanen's document, we know the specifics for Jan Gideonsz Verburgh's ship Graaf Willem, built circa 1649. The Graaf Willem was taken by the English at the Battle of the Gabbard in June 1653. From Witte de With's journals, we know that on 10 April 1653, the Graaf Willem carried 40 guns and had a crew of 155 men. These are the details:
The ship Graaf Willem, Capt. Jan Gideonsz Verburgh

Length from stem to sternpost:  125ft
Beam:                            31ft
Hold:                            12-1/2ft
Height over hold:                 7ft

40 guns:
4-18pdr, 16-12pdr, 16-8pdr, 4-6pdr

Crew: 155 men

Sources:

  1. C. T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.IV, 1910
  2. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992
  3. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Wednesday, September 13, 2006

The name of Ruth Jacobsz Buys' ship

In the journal of Witte de With for September to October 1653, on page 201 of archive E8812, there is the handwritten name of Ruth Jacobsz Buys' Rotterdam Directors' ship:

Rotterdam ships in Witte de With's journal

Witte de With's journal has pretty good coverage of Rotterdam ships with the fleet from September 1652 up to November 1653. If Ruth Jacobsz Buys' ship in September to November 1652 was a new ship, then my previous estimate of Sint Pieter, from Ron van Maanen's list might be true. First, we start with September 1652:
Admiralty of Rotterdam

Captain                   crew guns Ship (not listed in journal)
Vice-Admiral de With      150  36   Prinses Louise
the ship of Lt-Adm. Tromp           Brederode
Capt. van Nes             123  30   Gorinchem

Rotterdam Directors

Captain                      crew guns Ship (not listed in journal)
Capt. Corstiaen Corstiaensz  130  34   Prins
Capt. Ruth Jacobsz Buys                Hollandia
 
We next see lists for May 1653:
Admiralty of Rotterdam

Captain                      crew guns Ship (not listed in journal)
Commandeur Haexwant           98  22   Utrecht
Capt. Vijgh                   98  24   Overijssel
Lt-Cdr. Pieter Verhaven      120  32     
Capt. Willem Arentsz Warmont 116  30   Gorinchem
Capt. Kerckhoff              116  32   Dolphijn
Capt. Aert Jansz van Nes               Gelderland
The ship of Lt-Adm Tromp     268  56   Brederode

Rotterdam Directors' Ships

Captain                             crew guns Ship (not listed in journal)
Capt. Ruth Jacobsz Buys              95  26   Hollandia
Corstiaen Eldertsz                   95  24   Roskam
Capt. Sijmon Cornelisz van der Meer           Sint Pieter
Capt. Jacob Cleijdijck              168  38   Prins

Rotterdam Chamber of the VOC

Captain                         crew guns Ship (not listed in journal)
Jan Arensz van der Werff        124  32   Wapen van Nassau

This seems to be from July 1653:
Admiralty of Rotterdam

Captain                      crew  guns  Ship (not listed in journal)
Lt-Admiral Tromp             290   55    Brederode
Capt. Haexwant               100   22    Utrecht
Capt. Vijgh                  105   24    Overijssel
Lt-Cdr Pieter Verhaven       106   30     
Capt. Aert Jansz van Nes      99   24    Gelderland
Capt. Abel Roelantsz Verboom 155   36    Prinses Louise

Rotterdam Directors' Ships

Captain                             crew  guns   Ship (not listed in journal)
Capt. Jacob Cleijdijck              147   38     Prins
Capt. Ruth Jacobsz Buys             100   26     Hollandia
Capt. Sijmon Cornelisz van der Meer              Sint Pieter

Rotterdam Chamber of the VOC

Captain                         crew  guns   Ship (not listed in journal)
Jan Arensz van der Werff        128   36     Wapen van Nassau

These are the ships with the fleet from September to November 1653:
Admiralty of Rotterdam

Captain                  crew guns Ship
Capt. Egbert Meeuwssen   275  54   Brederode
Capt. Abel Roelantsz     131  36   Prinses Louise
Capt. Aert van Nes       114  24   Gelderland


Rotterdam Directors' ships

Captain                  crew guns Ship
Capt. Cleijdijck         146  38   Prins
Capt. Ruth Jacobsz Buys  100  26   Hollandia (there is a word preceding this)

Rotterdam Chamber of the VOC

Captain                  crew guns Ship
Capt. van der Werff                Wapen van Nassouw

Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Admiralty ships of Zeeland with Witte de With's fleet in October 1653 (Revised)

Witte de With's journal also lists the ships belonging to the Admiralty of Zeeland that were with Witte de With's fleet in October 1653:
Ship                 Guns  Crew  Captain
't Wapen van Ceulen  30    120   Mangelaer (revised)
Amsterdam            32    120   Kempen
Zeeridder            30    124   Gillis Jansz (guns and crew Aug 1653)
Vlissingen           34    134   Jan Pouwelsz (guns and crew Aug 1653)
Liefde               23     94   Dingeman Cats
Goes                 25    110   Kuijper
Salmander            34    125   Pieter Marcusz

Monday, September 11, 2006

Johannes van Regermorter's ship

From the Witte de With's journals, I found that Johannes van Regermorter's ship was named Leeuwinne (the archaic spelling). Johannes van Regermorter was killed in the Three Days Battle (Portland), but his ship survived. One of Witte de With's lists from May 1653 gives the name. In August 1652, Johannes van Regermorter's ship, a Middelburg Directors' ship, carried 30 guns and had a crew of 105 men. Sources:
  1. Hendrik de Raedt, Lyste van de schepen van Oorloge onder het beleyt Admirael Marten Harpersz. Tromp, 1652
  2. Witte de With, journals from 1652 to 1658, Archive E8812 from the Riksarkivet, Stockholm

Sunday, September 10, 2006

The ship of Jan Arentsz van der Werff

Jan Arentsz van der Werff commanded a ship of the Rotterdam chamber of the VOC. From the list of ships at Vlissingen in July 1653, we know that the ship was named David and Goliad (or Goliat). From the journals of Witte de With, we know that the ship carried 32 guns and had a crew of 124 men in May 1653. This information is contained on page 121 of the E8812 archive.

Saturday, September 09, 2006

There is some priceless information in the papers and journals of Witte de With

I just received the papers and journals of Witte de With from the Riksarkivet in Stockholm. The page images are huge (circa 10MB), but that makes them more readable. One of the things that make the documents so valuable are that there are lists of captains and the number of guns and crew of their ship. There are two other figures which I have yet to figure out. For example, for the ship of Jan Arensz van der Werff, the David en Goliad, carried 32 guns and had a crew of 124 men. I had been doubtful that we would ever know that sort of information. Hendrick Pieterszoon's ship, the Edam Directors' ship Halve Maan, carried 30 guns and had a crew of 107 men. The lists do not contain the name of the ship, but from other sources, we can supply the name.

Friday, September 08, 2006

Ships in service for the Admiralty of Friesland in March 1653

If anything, the picture seems obscured with regard to which Friesland ships were still in service in March 1653. J. C. De Jonge, in an appendix to Vol.I of Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen has an outline of the list. That outline omits mention of ships either known to be in service or at least mentioned in Ron van Maanen's list. This is the outline:
Admirality of Friesland

Warships
Number    Guns   Crew    My Notes
2         38     110-140 Zevenwolden and Groningen?
2         28     110     Breda and Westergo

Hired ships
Number    Guns   Crew
2         30     110     Schaapherder and Postpaard
3         24-26  90      Sint Nicolaas, Sara, Gelderland?
1         16     60      Waterhond

Sources:
  1. C. T. Atkinson, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.IV, 1910
  2. Dr. S.R. Gardiner, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.II, 1900
  3. J. C. De Jonge, Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen, Vol.I, 1858
  4. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992

Thursday, September 07, 2006

The Amsterdam ship Edam is still something of a mystery

The Amsterdam ship Edam, also known as the Zwarte Bul, is still something of a mystery. The Wrangell Collection document gives the length as 124ft, while the traditional dimensions had a length of 120ft. Ron van Maanen has various sources quoted that give a variety of dimensions, as well as those of the Wrangell Collection document:
Wrangell Collection document:  124ft x 28ft x 11ft  6-1/2ft
"traditional dimensions":      120ft x 28ft x 11ft  6-1/4ft
5 April 1653:                  124ft x 28ft
7 July  1653:                  124ft x 28ft
7 July  1654:                  120ft x 28ft
31 March 1665:                 123ft x 30ft
14 April 1665:                 124ft x 29ft
There is also some variation in the armament:
Wrangell Collection document:  6-brass 12pdr, 14-8pdr, 4-brass 6pdr, 4-6pdr
16 November 1652:  6-12pdr, 12-8pdr, 12-6pdr
 4 April    1653:  6-12pdr, 14-8pdr,  8-6pdr
 7 July     1653:  6-12pdr, 14-8pdr, 10-6pdr
   April    1655:  6-12pdr, 14-8pdr,  8-6pdr, 2-6pdr (?) drakes
14 April    1665:  18-12pdr, 16-6pdr, 4-3pdr
Sources:
  1. list of Admiralty of Amsterdam hired ships from 1652 from the Wrangell Collection, 1652
  2. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated, but circa 1992

Wednesday, September 06, 2006

More about the Zeeland jacht Dordrecht from Ron van Maanen

Ron van Maanen says that the 17-gun jacht Dordrecht had been purchased in 1652, and had been named the Japonder. When purchased, the ship had 12 guns aboard. By 1653, the Japonder had been renamed Dordrecht, and was said to be 13 years old. The Staet van Oorlog te Water van 1654 gives the length as 85ft, but another document from 21 July 1653 (as seen by Ron van Maanen) gives the length as 100ft. At that point, the crew consisted of 70 sailors and 20 soldiers. On 29 March 1653, the armament was 4-12pdr, 7-6pdr, and 6-3pdr guns. We believe that this was the jacht commanded by Pieter Gorcum, during the First Anglo-Dutch War. Sources:
  1. Dr. S.R. Gardiner, Ed., The First Dutch War, Vol.II, 1900
  2. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992
  3. Staet van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654, 1654

Tuesday, September 05, 2006

The VOC ship Breda in the First Anglo-Dutch War

Ron van Maanen has the details about the VOC ship Breda that apparently served in the summer of 1653. The ship was hired by the Admiralty of Amsterdam, and was from Hoorn, according to Ron's notes. These are the details:
The ship Breda

Length from stem to sternpost: 170ft
Beam:                           38ft
Hold:                           21ft
Height over hold:                7ft

32 guns: (30 July 1653)
 4-18pdr
18-12pdr
10-6pdr

Crew: 196 to 296 men
Sources:
  1. Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated but circa 1992

Monday, September 04, 2006

Are the Kalmar Sleutel dimensions in Maas feet?

I was just looking at Ron van Maanen's document and saw the dimensions for the Kalmar Sleutel, which was sunk on 22 July 1652, while in the fishery protection squadron, when attacked by English frigates. Ron gives rather small dimensions: 103ft x 25ft x 11ft. I had originally assumed that these were Amsterdam feet, but they are quite small, and I know suspect that they are in Maas feet, which would make the vessel more normal size. One factor was that Ron gave the armament as 22-28 guns. I don't see 28 guns on a 103ft vessel. If the dimensions given were in Maas feet, the converted Amsterdam dimensions would be about 112ft x 27ft x 12ft, which are quite reasonable. This is derived from Ron van Maanen's list "Dutch Warships 1600-1800".

Sunday, September 03, 2006

Pieter Adriaansz van Blocker's ship in 1652

Based on a study of Ron van Maanen's list, it would appear that Pieter Adriaansz van Blocker's ship, which was hired by the Hoorn Directors, was named the Liefde. This was a ship that was 8 years old in 1652. These are the details from a combination of sources:
The ship, the Liefde, Capt. Pieter Adriaansz van Blocker
hired by the Hoorn Directors

Length from stem to sternpost:  135-1/2ft
Beam:                            27ft
Hold:                            13-1/2ft
Height above the hold:            6-1/4ft

28 guns

Crew:  105 men
Sources:
  1. Ron van Maanen, Dutch Warships 1600-1800, undated, but circa 1992
  2. Hendrik de Raedt, Lyste van de schepen van Oorloge onder het beleyt Admirael Marten Harpersz. Tromp, 1652

The Vlissingen Directors' ship Witte Lam

At the beginning of the war, the Vlissingen Directors' ship Witte Lam carried 32 guns and had a crew of 110 men. The Witte Lam's captain was Jan Thyssen. The Witte Lam, by late 1652, had become Michiel De Ruyter's flagship and had been upgunned to 40 guns and had a crew of about 145 men. From Ron van Maanen's list, "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", we know that the dimensions of the Witte Lam: 129ft x 28ft x 12-1/2ft. Another reference Ron found gave the length as 130 ft. The height "over hold" was 6-1/2ft. I have always taken that to mean the height above the main deck to the upper deck. Sources:
  1. Pieter Casteleyn, Hollandsche Mercurius, 1652
  2. Ron van Maanen, Dutch Warships 1600-1800, undated, but circa 1992
  3. Hendrik de Raedt, Lyste van de schepen van Oorloge onder het beleyt Admirael Marten Harpersz. Tromp, 1652
  4. Francis Vere, Salt in Their Blood - The Lives of the famous Dutch Admirals, 1955

My theory is that the Engel Gabriel (28 guns) is the same as the Engel

It might not be true, but it would explain why we have not seen the Engel Gabriel (28 guns) mentioned. Ron van Maanen says that the Engel (28 guns) was in service from 1652 until 1653. He gives the armament as 4-12pdr, 12-8pdr, 10-4pdr, and 2-3pdr. The captain was Maarten Schaeff. The details for the 28-gun Engel Gabriel are somewhat different, but not too different: 6-12pdr, 12-6pdr, 8-4pdr, and 2-3pdr. So far, this is just a theory, but it would explain a lot.

Saturday, September 02, 2006

A gun inventory from 1652

One of the pages in the papers of Dr. S. Hart, from the Gemeentearchief Amsterdam, includes a gun inventory. My copies are pretty bad, generally, and this page does not have the inventory number at the top. It seems to be with pages for a ship named Amsterdam, but the number of guns is only 24, not the 28 from the other page:

 4 pieces of  12 lbs   3100 lbs
                       3150 lbs
                       3120 lbs
                       3220 lbs

 8 pieces of   8 lbs   2849 lbs
                       2840 lbs
                       2770 lbs
                       2940 lbs
                       2732 lbs
                       2970 lbs
                       2990 lbs
                       2960 lbs

10 pieces of   6 lbs   1725 lbs
                       1690 lbs
                       1775 lbs
                       1740 lbs
                       1659 lbs
                       1800 lbs
                       2100 lbs
                       2020 lbs
                       2170 lbs
                       2200 lbs

 2 pieces of    3 lbs   848 lbs
                        842 lbs

Friday, September 01, 2006

What may have been Johannes Michielszoon's ship in 1652 to 1653

Ron van Maanen has information about a storeship that was hired by the Admiralty of Zeeland and was in service in 1653. This was a transport that was used as a victualler and ammunition ship. The ship was the Walvisch (20 guns). The Walvisch was hired from Daniel Thijssen Gillissen. If we stretch things a bit, we can imagine that this might have been the ship commanded by Johannes Michielszoon in 1652 and up to the Three Days Battle in 1653. The ship survived the battle but Johannes Michielszoon was killed. His ship had a crew of 100 men, according to the pamphlet of Hendrick de Raedt.

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