Discussion devoted mainly to the Anglo-Dutch Wars (at sea), including ships, battles, and persons. Our website, kentishknock.com, is the primary outlet for artwork, research results, and more formal analysis and commentary. Copyright (c) 2003-2007 James C. Bender
Sunday, February 10, 2008
Did Dirk Gerritsz Pomp command the St. Jan Battista?
Thursday, February 07, 2008
Friesland ships
2 Convoyers 2 in the North Sea 2 in Brazil 5 of the 17-1/2ships of the 100and this:
Directors Friesland 2 Stadt en Landen 1
200 last ships
Sunday, February 03, 2008
The Vogelstruis
Friday, February 01, 2008
Claes Jansz Sanger in early August 1653
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
A challenge
Admiralty or Directors Ship
Harlingen Directors Sint Vincent 28 guns
Harlingen Directors Vergulde Pelicaen 28 guns
a possible ship hired by the Groningen Directors
Noorderkwartier Vergulde Schel, 24 guns
Noorderkwartier Peereboom 24 guns
Noorderkwartier Tobias 30 guns
Noorderkwartier Profeet Samuel 30 guns
Noorderkwartier Lastdrager 28 guns
Noorderkwartier Mars 34 or 38 guns
Noorderkwartier Alkmaar 26 guns ('s-Landsschip)
Noorderkwartier Roode Leeuw 24 guns
Noorderkwartier Huis van Nassau 24 or 28 guns
Noorderkwartier Burgh van Alkmaar 24 or 28 guns ('s-Landsschip)
Noorderkwartier Adam en Eva 24 guns
Noorderkwartier Sampson 24 or 26 guns ('s-Landsschip)
Noorderkwartier Stad Medemblick 26 or 32 guns ('s-Landsschip)
Noorderkwartier Nieuw Kasteel 14 guns
Noorderkwartier Arke Noach 24 guns
Noorderkwartier St. Jan Baptist 24 guns
Noorderkwartier Wapen van Holland 30 guns
Noorderkwartier Prins Maurits 28 or 32 guns ('s-Landsschip)
Noorderkwartier Herder
Amsterdam Jonas 26 guns
Amsterdam Gewapende Ruyter 36 guns ('s-Landsschip)
Rotterdam Directors Erasmus
Rotterdam Directors Sint Pieter 28 guns Sijmon Cornelisz van der Meer
Rotterdam Directors Sint Pieter 29 guns Isaac de Jongh
Rotterdam Directors Jonas 36 guns
Rotterdam Directors Meerman 32 guns
Rotterdam Directors Prins 38 guns
Rotterdam Directors Hollandia 26 or 28 guns Ruth Jacobsz Buijs
Rotterdam Gulden Beer 24 guns
Rotterdam Maria 24 guns
Rotterdam Hollandia 24 guns Hendrick Ernestus de Bartrij
Rotterdam Roscam 26 guns
Medemblick Directors Koning Radboud 28 guns
Harderin
Purmerland
Zeeland Wapen van Keulen 30 guns
Zeeland Hasewind 28 guns ('s-Landsschip)
Monday, January 21, 2008
Friesland Directors' ships in 1652
Monday, January 14, 2008
The Brederode in June 1653
The ship Brederode crew of 260 men 54 guns: 4-36pdr, 20-24pdr, 20-12pdr, 10-6pdr 14,000 lbs of gunpowder 100 36 pound shot 1000 24 pound shot 1000 12 pound shot 400 6 pound shotI would imagine that the lower tier consisted of the 4-36pdr and 20-24pdr guns The upper tier would be the 20-12pdr guns. The quarterdeck would be armed with the 10-6pdr guns.
Sunday, January 13, 2008
The Amsterdam pound versus the English pound (weights)
To put things in perspective: gun weights
Sakers from the Revenge, all 7ft long: 13 cwt-3qtr-0lbs: 1540 lbs 14 cwt-3qtr-13lbs: 1665 lbs 15 cwt-1qtr-18lbs: 1726 lbs 15 cwt-1qtr-14lbs: 1722 lbs 16 cwt-1qtr-21lbs: 1841 lbs 14 cwt-2qtr-6lbs: 1630 lbs 16 cwt-0qtr-14lbs: 1806 lbs 13 cwt-1qtr-24lbs: 1508 lbsThe two Falcons are much smaller guns, although they are also 7ft guns:
8cwt-0qtr-21lbs: 917 lbs 8cwt-2qtr-19lbs: 971 lbsUsing my empirical equation for guns, I estimate a weight of 973 lbs for a 7ft long iron Falcon firing a 3-1/2 pound shot, which closely matches the Revenge guns.
The Alderney Guns
All the shot so far recovered is of 78 – 80 mm (3? inches) diameter which reinforces our current view that the guns are all the same, that is to say 7 foot long, cast iron, smooth bore, muzzle loaders of 3½ inch bore and 14 hundredweight (1568 lbs)
I tried my empiracle calculations and I would have said that I would expect 4 pound shot, for the shot diameter and the gun weight. My first idea was that it would be a Falcon, firing 3-1/2 pound shot. I have trouble believing the gun weight of 1568 lbs. For the shot diameter given, that would make for an extremely heavy gun, outside of the range with which I have seen. I concede that for the shot diameter, it must be a Falcon, not a Minion (4pdr). My problem is that the gun weight and length are more like a Dutch 6pdr iron gun. For that small of a shot weight, a similar Dutch gun would be a bit less than a 1000 lbs.Saturday, January 12, 2008
Joris Caulerij
The Vlissingen
Friday, January 11, 2008
The Battle of the Kentish Knock
Wednesday, January 09, 2008
William Laird Clowes' work is apparently available, online
Friday, January 04, 2008
A nice summary list dated 24 June 1653
Monday, December 31, 2007
The hired ship Mars in October 1653
Sunday, December 30, 2007
Ron van Maanen's translation from Brandt
Het leven en bedryf van den heere Michiel de Ruyter. G. Brandt, Amsterdam, 1687
At the battle at Plymouth 28 february 1652 the Struis or Struisvogel was commanded by Douwe Aukes with 40 guns and 200 men, E.I.C.- chamber Amsterdam. In the fight she came in the middle of the British fleet and her scared crew wanted to surrender. Her captain threatened to his crew to blow her up. Her crew started to fight again, destroying two British ships (800 men drowned)and heavily damaging a third. An other version is that she was attacked by two British warships, doing nothing, let them come alongside, than giving the first a broadside which sank it, the second a broadside which caused it to flee. Suddenly she was entered by a third one with so many men that her crew wanted to surrender and Aukes threatened to blow the ship up. After a heavy fight the free themselves and join the Dutch fleet again.
28 february 1653 she was part of the fleet commanded by M.H. Tromp which fought against the British commanded by Blake. De Struisvogel was now commanded by Kornelis Adriaensz van Kruik from Schiedam which fought together with De Ruyter and Sweers against 7 or more British ships until the evening. After fighting with several ships she was hardly manned and lost her masts. When Tromp saw this he ordered commandeur Gideon de Wiltdt to tow her away to safety. Due to low winds he didn’t succeed. Her decks were shattered with blood, wounded and dead, and 80 dead men could be seen. From the 40 sailors from Schiedam, of which the youngest as 20 years old, only 3 remained. The British stopped plundering fearing she would sink. The next day she was found by the British drifting as a empty hull with no sails and hardly any crew left and was brought into Portsmouth. Brandt wrote about Kruik that he was a very brave man.
Sunday, December 23, 2007
So what ship was this, if any we know?
A fluit ship laying at Medemblick 132ft long 27ft wide 12-1/2ft hold 6-1/4ft deck height with 32 guns: 8-12pdr 6-8pdr 12-6pdr 2-5pdr 2-3pdr 2-2pdrWas this ship hired and if so, under what name and organization did it serve?
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
The 125ft ship in the 28 January 1653 page could be the Walvis
The Groote Sint Lucas?
Tuesday, December 18, 2007
Google Books has John Charnock's book History of Marine Architecture as a full view book
The Noorderkwartier ship Eendracht (1639)
Sunday, December 16, 2007
Dutch status reports after the First Anglo-Dutch War battles
Sunday, December 09, 2007
Why Vreugdenhil gave the Hector 34 guns
Saturday, December 08, 2007
Ship number 127, the Hector
Tuesday, December 04, 2007
The Overijssel commanded by Abraham van der Hulst in the first part of 1652
Gemant me 100 hoofden wact van de Soldijen bedraeght ter maendt 1356 comt van uit Julij 1651 tot den 20 November Anno 1653 f37516:0:0In another document, the ship is listed as being one of the 36 ships funded in 1651, as this text seems to indicate, as well, given the July 1651 date of funding.
Sunday, December 02, 2007
Odd sized Dutch guns: 20pdr, 15pdr, 10pdr, and 5pdr
20pdr bronze 3781 lbs 15pdr bronze 2750 lbs 10pdr iron 3162 lbs 5pdr iron 1530 lbs 5pdr bronze 1406 lbs
Saturday, November 24, 2007
Klokwijs and regular 12pdr guns
Nr. 1 2540 lbs straight Nr. 2 2560 lbs Nr. 3 1565 lbs klokwijs Nr. 4 1505 lbs Nr. 5 1403 lbs Nr. 6 1400 lbs
Wednesday, November 21, 2007
The Sampson and Alkmaar, both lost in 1652
Saturday, November 17, 2007
The Vrijheid at the Battle of the Gabbard
Thursday, November 15, 2007
The Sint Laurens
Sunday, November 11, 2007
What I know about Joost Bulter's ship in 1653
Ship number 164 in Vreugdenhil's list
Saturday, November 10, 2007
Dutch ships and captains in the First Anglo-Dutch War
Friday, November 09, 2007
The list of Dutch captains from 16 May 1652
Wednesday, November 07, 2007
I probably will not be available during the daytime
Sunday, November 04, 2007
The Zeeland warship Hollandia in early 1653
Saturday, November 03, 2007
Resources for the Dutch navy in the First Anglo-Dutch War
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
The ship Maaght van Enkhuijsen (Maagd van Enkhuizen)
The ship named the Maaght van Enkhuijsen commanded by Captain Cornelis Tromp Length: 125ft Beam: 29ft Hold: 12ft Deck Height: 6-3/4ft 34 guns: 18-12pdr, 4-8pdr, and 12-6pdr Crew: 110 sailors and soldiers in service from July 1651
Tuesday, October 23, 2007
The Staet van Oorlog te Water for the year 1642
Monday, October 22, 2007
Vreugdenhil's list and ships sold in 1649
Sunday, October 21, 2007
The ship Gouden Leeuwinne on 23 June 1653
Saturday, October 20, 2007
The eight Zeeland convoyers funded in 1648
Adm Ship Guns Captain Z Zeeuwsche Leeuw 27 Cornelis Evertsen de Oude Z Westcappel 28 Cornelis Evertsen de Jonge (formerly Adriaen Banckert) Z Amsterdam 32 Adriaen Kempen Z Middelburg 26 Claes Jansz Sanger Z Sandenburgh 24 Pieter Gorcum Z Wapen van Zeeland 34 Joost Willemsz Block Z Hasewint 28 Jacob Verhelle Z Jaeger, jacht 14 Adriaen Jansz Gloeijenden Oven
Thursday, October 18, 2007
Information from Ron van Maanen
Captain Andries Fortuijn's ship, the Eendracht, was hired from Willem Bollare for a rate of 212 pond Vlaams 10 schellingen.
Captain Cornelis Loncke's ship, the Faeme, was hired from John Chevael and other owners for a monthly rate of 233 pond Vlaams, 6 schellingen, 8 grote Vlaams.
Captain Frans Mangelaer's ship, the Liefde, was hired from Jacob van Pantegem for four months for 766 pond Vlaams, 13 schellingen, 4 grote Vlaams.
Captain Dingeman Cats' ship Dolphijn was hired from Johan Gruterius, a merchant at Middelburg, for a monthly rate of 200 pond Vlaams.
Captain Jacob Sichels' ship, the Wapen van Sweden, was hired from Chrijstoffel Wouters for a monthly rate of 233 pond Vlaams, 6 schellingen 8 grote Vlaams.
Sunday, October 14, 2007
Printing page images
Friday, October 12, 2007
The 2007 Weblog Awards
Thursday, October 11, 2007
VOC shps in the First Anglo-Dutch War, in 1652
Sunday, October 07, 2007
Where was the 116ft ship Enkhuizen in 1652 and 1653?
Friday, October 05, 2007
Friesland ships
Sunday, September 30, 2007
Dr. Ballhausen's list for the Dutch at Dover on 29 May 1652
Saturday, September 29, 2007
Two very similar ships: the Hollandia and the Amsterdam
Wednesday, September 26, 2007
As you can tell, writing has been impacted by other things
Monday, September 24, 2007
The fluit ship St. Jan Babtista
The fluit ship St. Jan Babtista (St. John the Baptist) Dimensions in Maas feet: 113ft x 21-1/2ft x 11ft x 4-1/2ft Dimensions in Amsterdam feet: 123ft-3in x 23ft-5in x 12ft x 4ft-10in
Sunday, September 23, 2007
The Duintjes
Saturday, September 22, 2007
The Wapen van Sweden
Friday, September 21, 2007
This has been a bad week for blogging
Many of the Dutch ships in service in mid-1653 were very ligthly armed
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
Lambert Bartelszoon's ship in 1652 and 1653
Saturday, September 15, 2007
The hired ship Jonas in June 1653
That inventory has gun weights (there are only 25 guns listed): 12pdr 3015 lbs 12pdr 2930 lbs 8pdr 2320 lbs 8pdr 2300 lbs 8pdr 2220 lbs 8pdr 2210 lbs 6pdr 2560 lbs 6pdr 2520 lbs 6pdr 2400 lbs 6pdr 2260 lbs 6pdr 2240 lbs 6pdr 2220 lbs 6pdr 2190 lbs 6pdr 2190 lbs 6pdr 2140 lbs 6pdr 2000 lbs 6pdr 1900 lbs 5pdr 1420 lbs 5pdr 1410 lbs 5pdr 1395 lbs 5pdr 1385 lbs 5pdr 1385 lbs 5pdr 1365 lbs 3pdr 730 lbs 3pdr 720 lbs
Friday, September 14, 2007
The fireship Graaf Sonderlandt
Admiralty of Amsterdam
fireship Graf Sonderlandt 1652
Dimensions: 107ft x 23ft x 11ft x 5ft
1652 fireship schipper Herries Janszoon
crew: 18 men
Thursday, September 13, 2007
The Noorderkwartier ship Roode Leeuw
Tuesday, September 11, 2007
Are the Sint Michiel and the Engel Michiel the same ship?
A-Dir Engel Michiel or Sint Michiel 1652
Dimensions:
22/02/1652 120ft x 27-1/2ft x 13ft x 6-1/2ft
27/03/1652 120ft x 27-3/4ft x 13ft x 6-3/4ft
Guns:
20/01/1653 10-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 8-6pdr, 2-3pdr
28/04/1652 The ship the Engel Michiel, of the Greenland trade,
arrived in the Texel
20/01/1653 The ship the St. Michiel, of the Greenland Company, was hired
31/05/1653 kapitein Frederick Bogaart, under Tromp's flag near Zeeland
20/06/1653 kapitein Frederick Bogaart,
Engel Michiel, with 28 guns and a crew of 110 men
list of ships in service between 8 May and 20 June 1653
Monday, September 10, 2007
So, where did the Friesland ship Groningen come from?
Sunday, September 09, 2007
The Middelburg Directors' ship Sint Laurens
Saturday, September 08, 2007
The Amsterdam Directors' ship Prinses Roijaal
Friday, September 07, 2007
We owe a great debt to Ron van Maanen and his work
Thursday, September 06, 2007
My information about the Amsterdam ship Utrecht in 1652 and 1653
A Utrecht or Uijtrecht 1633
Dimensions:
1652 120ft x 28-3/4ft x 11-3/4ft x 6-3/4ft
27/03/1653 120ft x 27-1/2ft x 12ft x 6-3/4ft
Guns:
19/11/1652 18-12pdr, 12-6pdr
27/03/1653 18-12pdr, 12-6pdr, 2-4pdr
19/11/1652 the ship Uijtrecht, kapitein Roeteringh,
with 30 guns and a crew of 110 men
27/03/1653 the ship Uijtrecht, commanded by kapitein Jan Roeteringh,
armed with 32 guns and with a crew of 110 men and 20 musketeers
Monday, September 03, 2007
Sorry, I am binging on processing photographs
Sunday, September 02, 2007
Image tuning photographs of documents
Saturday, September 01, 2007
Nico Brinck's Swedish 12pdr gun
Friday, August 31, 2007
More ships from the list of 22 June 1653
No.83 Goes kapitein Cornelis Cuiper 97 men 26 guns No.84 Sint Joris kapitein Jacob Wolfersen 100 men 23 guns No.85 West Cappel kapitein Cornelis Evertsen de Jonge 95 men 28 guns No.86 Zee Ridder kapitein Gillis Janssen 114 men 28 guns No.87 Neptunus kapitein Adriaen de Oven taken by the English No.88 Zeeuwsche Leeuw commandeur Cornelis Evertsen de Oude 127 men 28 guns
Thursday, August 30, 2007
The ship Westfriesland on 22 June 1653
No.10 (in the list) Westfriesland kapitein Huijskens 110 men 28 guns
Length: 122ft 103 men actually on board
Beam: 28ft
Hold: 12ft
Above: 6-1/2ft
28 guns: 4-bronze 12pdr, 14-iron 8pdr, 4-bronze 6pdr,
2-iron 6pdr, 2-bronze 4pdr klokwijs (chambered),
2-iron 3pdr guns
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
The Campen on 22 June 1653
No.21 Campen Willem van Sanen (van der Zaan) 158 men 40 guns
Length: 133ft
Beam: 32ft
Above: 7ft
40 guns: 4 bronze 18pdr, 2-bronze 12pdr
14 iron 12pdr 16 iron 6pdr,
4 bronze 6pdr klokwijs guns (chambered)
Tuesday, August 28, 2007
The Leiden on 22 June 1653
The ship Leiden, kapitein Hendrick Kroeger Length: 118ft Beam: 28-1/2ft Height above hold: 6-1/2ft The Leiden nominally had a crew of 107 men, but on 22 June had 96 sailors and 14 soldiers 30 Guns: 6-12pdr 100 12pdr shot 18-8pdr 130 8pdr shot 6-6pdr no 6pdr shot
Monday, August 27, 2007
The Amsterdam Directors' ship Samson on 22 June 1653
Sunday, August 26, 2007
Comparing the Prinses Louise and Leeuwarden
Prinses Louise Leeuwarden
Adm of Rotterdam Adm of Amsterdam
1646 1645
Crew 121 sailors 120 sailors
41 soldiers 20 soldiers
Length 120ft 120ft
Beam 28ft-4in 29-3/4ft
Hold 12ft-6in 11-3/4ft
Ht betw decks 7ft-1in 6-3/4ft
Mean draft 12ft-4in 11ft-7in
(English feet)
English Burden 365-17/29 tons 398 tons
Lasts 200 lasts 200 lasts
Displacement 523 tons 511 tons
Jan Glete's
Displacement 496.36 tons 487.61 tons
Broadside wt 214 lbs 182 lbs
Armament wt 44.34 tons (8.48%) 35.94 tons (7.03%)
The Prinses Louise was more heavily armed than the Leewarden, although I may overstate the armament weight, as at least some of Prinses Louise's guns were drakes or chambered.
Saturday, August 25, 2007
Rif Winfield's book, The 50-Gun Ship is one of my favorite books
Thursday, August 23, 2007
The Amsterdam ship Leeuwarden
Wednesday, August 22, 2007
A page dated 28 July 1653 with notes at the bottom
Vice-Adm. Jan Evertsz. the English prize captured (perhaps the Bonaventura) van der Veer (perhaps the Wapen van der Veere) the ship Nieuw Vlissingen the SalamanderThese were all ships that fought in the Battle of Scheveningen (or Ter Heide) on 10 August 1653.
Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Adriaan van den Bosch's ship in 1653
Monday, August 20, 2007
The Engel Gabriel hired ship in July 1653
Sunday, August 19, 2007
A PhD thesis topic
Saturday, August 18, 2007
Noorderkwartier ships
I assume that Willem Ham's ship Sampson, a Noorderkwartier landsschip, was a 116ft ship. I could be wrong, but it seems likely. The Sampson was captured by the English on 22 July 1652, and was a sufficiently good ship that the English placed the Sampson in service in their navy under the same name and also carrying 26 guns. The Sampson served under the English flag until being sunk by gunfire at the Three Days Battle. The Sampson was the only English ship lost in the fight, being sunk on the first day.
I am less sure about Jan Warnaertsz Capelman's ship, the Alkmaar. The Alkmaar also was armed with 26 guns and was captured by the English in the Channel in Jun 1652. The Alkmaar was one of the 36 ships activated for service in late summer of 1651. This group of ships was intended for service in the Mediterranean against the North African pirates as well as increasing the Dutch readiness for a possible war with the English. The Alkmaar may have well been a 120ft ship, but could have also been a 116ft. All Noorderkwartier landschepen seem to have been either 116ft or 120ft long. The only exception was the 130ft Eendracht, armed with 40 or 41 guns which served in the Mediterranean Sea until after the Battle of Livorno in 1653.
Friday, August 17, 2007
Admiralty of the Noorderkwartier from late July 1652
Admiralty ships of the Noorderkwartier Captain Ship Guns Schout-bij-Nacht Pieter Florisz Monnikendam 32 Pieter Allertsz Hoorn 24 Cornelis Pietersz Taenman Prins Maurits 28 Arent Dircksz Wapen van Monnikendam 24 Pieter Schellinger Stad Medemblick 26 Gerrit Femmsz Wapen van Enkhuijsen 30 Gerrit Nobel Wapen van Alckmaer 28 Thijs Tijmensz Peerboom Peereboom 24 Gerrit Munth Huijs van Nassau 28
Thursday, August 16, 2007
The Amsterdam Directors' ships with Tromp's fleet in July 1652
Captain Ship Guns Jan Meijkes Alexander 28 Dirck Pater Blauwe Arent 28 Mattheus Cornelisz Sint Salvador 34 Jacob Swart Faem 28 Abraham van Campen Arke Troijane 28 Cornelis Jansz Poort Croon Imperiael 34 Cornelis Jansz Brouwer Valck 28 Marten de Graef Prinses Roijael 28 Gerrit van Limmen Neptunis 34 Cornelis Naeuoogh Sint Matheeus 34 Nicolaes de With Mauritius 34 Gerrit Schuijt Rooseboom 28 Bastiaen Bardoel Engel Gabriel 28 Cornelis van Houten Witte Lam 28 Hector Bardesius Gideon 34 Stoffel Juriaensz Sint Francisco 28 Claes Bastieansz Jaersvelt Davidt en Goliat 34 Jacob Sijbertsz Spanheijm Elias 34 Lambert Pietersz Nassouw 34 Hendrick de Raedt Swarte Leeuw 28 Sipke Fockes Sint Maria 28 lying mastless in the Texel Bruijn van Seelst Groote Liefde 38 Fredrick de Coninck Groote Vergulde Fortuijn 35 Fredrick Bogaert Engel Michiel 28
Wednesday, August 15, 2007
Somewhat off topic: the harbor at Amsterdam in early May 2007
Tuesday, August 14, 2007
More about the Hollandsche Tuin, thanks to Carl Stapel
Sunday, August 12, 2007
The Hollandsche Tuin
Saturday, August 11, 2007
List of ammunition for the Admiralty of Rotterdam in early 1654
70,000 lbs of gunpowder 600 36 lb shot 3000 24 lb shot 4000 18 lb shot 400 15 lb shot 12000 12 lb shot 4000 8 lb shot 6000 6 lb shot 2000 5 lb shot 2000 4 lb shot 6000 1 lb shotI believe that they fired a number of one pound shot from larger caliber guns, either for anti-personnel or anti-masts and rigging shooting.
Thursday, August 09, 2007
New Friesland ships: the Westergo
the ship Westergo
Length: 134ft
Beam: 34ft
Hold: 14ft
Height
between decks: 7-1/2ft
Crew: 170 sailors: 28 officers and 142 men
30 land soldiers
Wednesday, August 08, 2007
I frequently get confused with what Ron van Maanen has
Tuesday, August 07, 2007
The Rotterdam ship Dolphijn on 28 July 1652
Monday, August 06, 2007
Some captains from a list in 1652
Captain Adm Ship Hendrick Jansz de Munnick R Holland 30 guns Leendert Haexwandt R Utrecht 22 guns Dirck Juijnbol R Schiedam 30 guns Dirck Vijgh R Overijssel 22 guns Ernestus de Barterij R Hollandia 24 guns Corstiaen Eldertszoon R Roscam 26 guns Marinus de Clercq R Sphera Mundi 26 guns Corstiaen Corstiaensz de Munnick R-Dir Prins 38 guns
Sunday, August 05, 2007
The Bataviawerf page on Michiel de Ruyter and the Zeven Provincien
Saturday, August 04, 2007
The Vrede and Vogelstruijs could have had the same dimensions
Dutch English
Measured Calculated
Length Length on keel Length on keel
155ft 116ft 116.54ft (Dutch/1.33)
Beam Beam outside the planking
38ft 36ft-3in 33.63ft (Dutch/1.13)
Hold Depth in hold
19ft 17ft 16.814ft (Dutch/1.13)
I believe that the answer is "yes". The beam issue just means that
The planking on the Vogelstruijs was thinner than my system assumes.
Herbert Tomesen, of Artitec expressed the opinion that the Vogelstruijs had the dimesions 160ft x 38ft x 18ft, as there was a charter like that for Amsterdam ships that had to get over the bar to enter Amsterdam.
The original plan for the 30 ships
Charters: 150ft x 38ft x 15ft x 8ft 140ft x 36ft x 14-1/2ft x 7-1/2ft 134ft x 34ft x 14ft x 7ft Charters: 150ft 140ft 134ft Admiralty: Rotterdam 1 ship 2 ships 2 ships Amsterdam 2 ships 4 ships 4 ships Zeeland 1 ship 2 ships 2 ships Noorderkwartier 1 ship 2 ships 2 ships Friesland 1 ship 2 ships 2 ships Totals: 6 ships 12 ships 12 shipsThis would have given the Dutch the equivalent of 6 English 2nd Rates, 12 English 3rd Rates, and 12 English 4th Rates. Eventually, they only built on 150ft ship among the first 30 ships.
Friday, August 03, 2007
I keep rethinking these issues, so I keep writing about them
Thursday, August 02, 2007
The Amsterdam ship Star or Morgenstar
Wednesday, August 01, 2007
Dutch arming plans from late 1653
Ship of dimensions 150ft x 39ft x 15ft with 58 guns: Lower Deck: 6-bronze 24pdr 20-iron 18pdr Upper Deck: 10-bronze 12pdr 12-iron 12pdr 10-bronze 6pdr drakes Ship of dimensions 140ft x 36ft x 14ft with 52 guns: Lower Deck: 4-bronze 24pdr 10-iron 18pdr 8-bronze 12pdr Upper Deck: 6-bronze 12pdr 14-iron 12pdr 10-bronze 6pdr drakes

